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    Posted: 25/November/2021 at 19:30
Just read that Portugal have brought back testing for travellers wanting to enter the country even if vaccinated
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Oh good, just in time for our visit back to the UK next week... rolling eyes 
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Such tests are pointless unless taken at the airport immediately before travel.  What use is a test that shows you were not infected 48 hours before?

And there will be closing of all bars 2nd to 9th January for what good that will do. Everything where people may come into prolonged contact with one another should be closed down NOW and remain closed until this has passed. All social life banned in other words. Population to leave for home for work and to buy food only.

Or admit that we must learn to live with something that affects maybe 1% of the population at any time.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Algarveaddick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26/November/2021 at 10:25
"And there will be closing of all bars 2nd to 9th January for what good that will do." Portugal News says clubs will be closed, not bars. Your point still remains of course, Tom. 

I think the compulsory use of hand sanitizer would be of more use, personally. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kitty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26/November/2021 at 12:53
Totally agree regarding hand sanitizer.Get cross when people walk past in supermarket entrances.When I returned to work a large secondary school in September all one way markings sanitizers year group bubbles designated year group break areas gone.Feel I am playing Russian Roulette with COVID.Apologies for rant.Grumpy old lady.Hope to be back next September when I will have retired.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cubsur Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27/November/2021 at 08:36
Quite right - the official Powerpoint pronouncement from the DGS in Portuguese, under the heading of 'a week without contact' mentions only discotheques being closed 2 - 9 January. (As well as all educational establishments.)

Something possibly lost in translation, although the media in Portuguese and English  ex-pat information websites did say 'bars and clubs'.

Foe example SIC news said 'Bares e discotecas vão encerrar entre 2 e 9 de janeiro para "contenção" de contactos e prevenção de contágios.'

Yours confusedly.

"Totally agree regarding hand sanitizer". Certain religions and personal beliefs forbid contact with alcohol. Is there a non-alcoholic sanitizer made available?"
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99.23% of FA Premier League players and staff tested over the past week are fine and healthy. But now read what the media is screaming.

When will there be a sense of proportion to what is going on?
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Totally Agree, I think UK media and sense of proportion are just totally incompatable. They have their rolling 24 hour news schedules to fill and they fill it with all kinds of bilge every single day.  Intentionally don't watch or listen to much when in Portugal but over in UK now for Christmas with the family and it is inescapable, it is full of complete nonsense lacking any common sense or analysis. Yesterday's headline, 129,000 cases the day before, the highest ever recorded. Hmnn isn't that because it was the first working day after the bank holidays and the results are filled with holiday lag cases not reported in the correct time period?  It's amazing that they haven't improved their reporting process over the last 18 months. I remember Easter 2020 and the same happened then, nothing has been done about it. Compared to Portugal, a near 3rd world country by comparison, we don't have these dodgy figures, we don't fail to include those dying in Care homes because they are on another system!

The UK media is brainwashing the public, reporting is now on cases, not hospital admissions or deaths. There were 129,000 cases, 18 deaths and hospital admissions not even mentioned so I checked on the ONS website. Dec 27, 2020 - 21,547 hospitalised, 1607 in ICU. Figures for 21/12/2021 (latest available) - 7620 hospitalised, 873 in ICU. Two scientific studies have been published in the past month which both show that Omicron though more transmittable is less strong and generally results in mild flu like symptons. However the media are experts at making a negative out of a positive, so hardly mentioned except to say that the study groups were very small. Now they are trying to spread fear by suggesting the vaccine only last 10 weeks, causing an embarassed government scientist to come out and say he was misquoted and after 10 weeks it is still sufficiently strong but in those forst 10 weeks it is like a super vaccine.

If pre-covid we had reported cases of Influenza on a daily basis on National prime time TV what would the figures have been, I wonder. According to the ONS website the largest amount of deaths for seasonal winter flu in recent times was in 2014-15 when 28,414 died, this winter's covid deaths so far bear no comparison.
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Don't disagree about the coverage -people (especially older people) in the UK seem to be obsesssed by it. However, of course the winter Covid deaths are down, almost all the vulnerable people have been vaccinated. Flu deaths are down too, and with the much larger take up of the flu vaccine as an adjunct to the covid jabs they will continue to fall.   
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Got to agree with you Bunnyrunner, just the other day the BBC report on their website stated that there were a record number of UK cases the day previous at 189k.
When you read the whole report it then went on to say that it included a five day lag of 25 k from N.I.
The media have been dreadful from day one, at present they are reporting staff shortages everywhere including the NHS.
But just watch, if the UK Government introduce further measures they will be the fiercest critics.
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And now it is becoming more obvious that even full vaccination does not stop you getting it, what next?


There is a feeling among those more reasonable in the media and elsewhere  that the drama is not needed and that the world should just get on with things, accepting the fact that some people will be ill from time to time.

After all, why is there not the same degree of reaction to other contagions like 'flu (which no-one gets any more) or even a bad cold? Isolate for a week by law under pain of fine or imprisonment?
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Honestly Thomas, you know that vaccinatiions do not and never have claimed to stop you getting anything. They lessen the effects, and for the most part stop the worst results from happening. The flu vaccine has never stopped anyone catching flu, the MMR jab does not stop people catching measles.   
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When was it ever said that the vaccine would stop you getting it?
I thought the vaccine was to lessen the effects and hopefully reduce hospitalisation and death.

Well if the media thinks it’s all over maybe we should just listen to them and ignore the educated scientist.
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it’s reporting in the papers that we no longer require a covid test to enter Portugal ? Just proof of vaccination ! Is this correct ? Thanks 
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It was widely reported yesterday in local media but no start date was given.  The decree was approved yesterday, Thursday.

The EU has mandated that no testing should be required for travel within the EU. Although it is not explicitly stated, this appears to be extended to travellers from other countries. Also, in Portugal one will now be able enter a hotel, tourist rental apartment, restaurant, bingo hall, gym etc without a test. There is though no suggestion that the compulsory wearing of masks in buses, trains, shops etc is going to be ended.

The official websites have not yet been updated. However the current state of calamity and associated laws expires on Wednesday 9th.

Also the validity of the EU health certificate has been extended from the present nine months until probably June 2023. (What would have happened had it not? My nine months would have expired on 14th April.)

As usual we live in confusing times.
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