New lows?
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Topic: New lows?
Posted By: tonisdad
Subject: New lows?
Date Posted: 26/June/2017 at 18:37
Scenes from last night looks like Albuferia..The Strip..in particular sunk to new depths. By all accounts there has been some organisation in England London based who have organised one big bash which is mainly made up of Inner London groups. People say there are up to a thousand of them. Made up of darker skinned people if you are over here you will have seen groups of them wandering around mainly on a night. The robbing bit of the link is true we were talking to a shop owner this morning who was physically attacked when she confronted some "females" term used lightly. On a brighter note the bash is due to end tomorrow after a a 11pm to 6am party tonight/tomorrow. Avoiding the strip tonight might be advisable. Unless something radical is done Albuferia is going to be the next Magaluf.
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Posted By: Jock
Date Posted: 26/June/2017 at 22:57
Hell's teeth! What a way to behave. Where were the GNR? Perhaps on bingo patrol.
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Posted By: dave
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 07:41
it need to be stopped befor it spreads to the old town
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Posted By: ClaireKildare
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 10:59
Apparently the GNR were there, firing plastic bullets. Not enough of them though, trouble began in Libertos and spilled out onto the street. Where were the mounted GNR you see in August!!
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Posted By: tonisdad
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 11:11
I was talking to a Portuguese mate last night who lives down the strip. He said he heard gunshots then screaming...His first thoughts were terrorists.... He said during the week one of this group was dancing and waving a gun about, no doubt not real, most likely been lucky he never had his head blew off.
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Posted By: tonisdad
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 11:19
dave wrote:
it need to be stopped befor it spreads to the old town
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Not quite as bad but not what you want to hear if you have kids in tow or are easily offended. Down the Old Town 11.30am last Saturday morning a mob singing show us your v****a to the tune of Delilah. Albufeira is maybe the place to head for with the cheap flights. Daughter going home July 5th and booked yesterday price was only £19.95 to Newcastle. As you say Dave needs to be stopped if Albufeira wants to keep attracting families.
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Posted By: DICEYUK
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 11:40
No.1 headline on the Daily Mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4641082/Police-open-fire-British-tourists-Algarve-resort.html%20" rel="nofollow - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4641082/Police-open-fire-British-tourists-Algarve-resort.html
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Posted By: Betsian
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 12:10
We have only been coming to the Algarve for the last 6 or 7 years, but I asked on here a couple of years ago questioning if the ethos of Albufeira was changing, because as a family we had seen quite a rapid rise in the amount of stag and hen parties in the Albufeira area. It now looks like its evolving to the next level with huge groups of party animals turning up.
Short term the bar and club owners must be rubbing their hands together at a vast influx of people only there for 1 reason, cheap booze and lots of it, but what effect will this sort of on the longevity of Albufeira as a Family resort.
Would a family considering Portugal as this years holiday destination be put off by National Newspapers screaming such thing as "Rampage, Drunken Louts, Shots fired and Rubber Bullets"? It's not exactly the type of advertising a beautiful friendly resort like Albufeira needs.
I hope that things like as have happened in the last week or so don't evolve into a epidemic and end up being seen as the norm, as it is now in Magaluf and Marbella etc.
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Posted By: Patti
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 13:16
Oh dear - not good - going to put some people off I fear. I already have to defend my choice of holiday destination to my friends as it is , I agree with posts above , needs to be stopped, if it can be ...
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Posted By: simpson
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 14:21
My daughter and her family are arriving in August for 10days . After weeks of looking for a hotel that does not have stag and hen do's she has opted for Clube Praia da Oura in the hopes it will be free of this type of tourist. We introduced her to Albufeira and the Algarve over 18 years ago. She has told me that this will be her last visit to Albufeira now and she is looking for quiter parts of the Algarve to visit. We love Albufeira our home from home like many others and it hurt us when she said that but i think the type of clientel that are invading Albufeira now are ruining it for everyone. When she sees that film and the mail she may even cancel her holiday. We wont but she may. Its such a shame its like the young ones are set to ruin everything who gets fun out licking beer off the floor and even worse lewd acts God help us all . Keep them out please.
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Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 15:07
As any other sane, fair minded person, I totally abor this but what really narks is the organising company issuing a statement "We don't condone this sort of behaviour" (or very similar) that exonerates them does it? I don't think so!
Put a 1000 strong party together for a weeks long rave, booze up.. whatever, locate them in the most likely place for it to kick off anyway, call it "Portugal Invasion", how arrogant is that? how dare they?, then when it does kick off, take a side step with a simple "we don't condone" statement!
I find this company as responsible and as guilty as the actual perpetrators, what are the morals of an organisation putting this together? Very low if at all existent IMHO.
If you want 1000 people on a bender enjoying the best of London's DJ's why locate them in the middle of one of the major family tourist resorts of another country? More arrogance. Hire a private venue!
Thank goodness it finished today or yesterday, good ridance to them, kindly do not return and heaven help the cabin crews on the flights back that were unfortunate enough to cop for them.
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Posted By: Betsian
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 15:50
The fact that it was billed as a "Urban Event" should have rung alarm bells, Many Urban concerts and festivals in London attract what can only be described as a unruly attendance, recent events include the storming of the doors at Brixton Academy, resulting in the concert to be cancelled before it even started, Wireless 2015 at Finsbury Park, gates forced open by a ticketless mob, security guards assaulted and mini riots on site,causing the local residents petitioning the government to get future urban events banned in the local area.
This is not a event type that should be allowed in the Algarve or any other holiday destination or resort. As sad as it is that it happened in Albufeira I hope it's a warning to other resorts that are contemplating allowing this type of event in the future.
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Posted By: Richardk
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 16:41
I agree with all that's been said - we don't want them here ever again. They bring nothing but trouble and glad they are returning to the cesspit from which they came. Perhaps next time the GNR should use real bullets
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Posted By: DICEYUK
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 19:48
Somebody in Albufeira knew about this in advance. You don't book hotel rooms for 1,000 people anywhere without someone asking a few questions.
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Posted By: cheekygirl
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 19:48
I have only heard about this in the last hour. Picking up different bits of information it sounds like a pack of wild animals charging through the streets causing havoc. I hope no one was hurt. Let's hope the travel companies use a bit if common sense in future and never send a group so big to such a family friendly resort such as Albuferia.
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Posted By: mrandyd
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 20:26
The bars on the strip are reaping what they have sown over the last 20 years, shutting down family bars in favour of "youth" bars, pushing out cheaper drinks to attract even more "partygoers" , I can understand that the bars have to make money, but they and the local authorities haven't learnt the lessons of other resorts around Europe that have become tainted with bad reputations because of the similar problems. I love Albufeira and have been coming out there for 25years, we have 6 weeks booked there for next year, but you can sense problems spreading, if the local authorities do not crack down soon it may well be too late to save what is a brilliant resort populated on the whole with wonderful people.
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Posted By: tonisdad
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 20:38
DICEYUK wrote:
Somebody in Albufeira knew about this in advance. You don't book hotel rooms for 1,000 people anywhere without someone asking a few questions.
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It seems like MGM are allowing a lot of this to happen. It was their hotels used for the Spanish student break a few weeks back mainly the Forte Da Oura and now it seems CPO was the main choice for this lot. Seems like they could not give a hoot as long as their hotels are full.
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Posted By: port princess
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 20:53
MGM should be held accountable for allowing this the council should be sorting this with a firm hand .
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Posted By: tonisdad
Date Posted: 27/June/2017 at 20:55
Betsian wrote:
We have only been coming to the Algarve for the last 6 or 7 years, but I asked on here a couple of years ago questioning if the ethos of Albufeira was changing, because as a family we had seen quite a rapid rise in the amount of stag and hen parties in the Albufeira area. It now looks like its evolving to the next level with huge groups of party animals turning up.
Short term the bar and club owners must be rubbing their hands together at a vast influx of people only there for 1 reason, cheap booze and lots of it, but what effect will this sort of on the longevity of Albufeira as a Family resort.
Would a family considering Portugal as this years holiday destination be put off by National Newspapers screaming such thing as "Rampage, Drunken Louts, Shots fired and Rubber Bullets"? It's not exactly the type of advertising a beautiful friendly resort like Albufeira needs.
I hope that things like as have happened in the last week or so don't evolve into a epidemic and end up being seen as the norm, as it is now in Magaluf and Marbella etc. |
Betsian we first started coming to albuferia 14 years ago when our Daughter was then 8 years old. I said in a previous topic if Albuferia was like it is now we would never have come back. We never had any qualms taking her down down the strip for a few hours on a night we don`t even go down there at all on a night now. Daytime is bad enough. We are lucky? enough to now spend most of the year here now but the place is fast going downhill. For instance getting woken on a morning by some drunken a***hole from 2.30am to 7.30am is now more the norm than the exception. Would I personally now recommend Albuferia to other people?...Sorry to say no. Our only problem is we now have that many good friends here it would be hard to leave the place.
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Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 28/June/2017 at 09:27
Luckily this particular problem seems to have been a one off. Andrew is so right about the organisers as is Tonisdad about the MGM group. I don't know what the Daily Heil article said as I will not click on any link to their site, but I did see the Mirror's version yesterday and the owner of Libertos was bemoaning the behaviour, yet he owns a string of bars that dish out free shots and encourage these idiots, and he puts them up in his hotels. (Not necessarily this particular mob, obviously, but other stag and hen dos).
Hotel owners who have been moaning to tour operators about some of the behaviour of guests have been told by the tour operators that they should stop accepting 3 or 4 day bookings over weekends. AI does not help of course.
And, as I have said before, rightly or wrongly, 20 stags in your bar for three hours will often spend more than five families will in a week. And the large majority of them are well behaved - like anything, it's only the bad 'uns that get the headlines. Plenty of businessmen on here, what would you do?
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Posted By: Linda
Date Posted: 28/June/2017 at 09:33
Andrew wrote:
As any other sane, fair minded person, I totally abor this but what really narks is the organising company issuing a statement "We don't condone this sort of behaviour" (or very similar) that exonerates them does it? I don't think so!
Put a 1000 strong party together for a weeks long rave, booze up.. whatever, locate them in the most likely place for it to kick off anyway, call it "Portugal Invasion", how arrogant is that? how dare they?, then when it does kick off, take a side step with a simple "we don't condone" statement!
I find this company as responsible and as guilty as the actual perpetrators, what are the morals of an organisation putting this together? Very low if at all existent IMHO.
If you want 1000 people on a bender enjoying the best of London's DJ's why locate them in the middle of one of the major family tourist resorts of another country? More arrogance. Hire a private venue!
Thank goodness it finished today or yesterday, good ridance to them, kindly do not return and heaven help the cabin crews on the flights back that were unfortunate enough to cop for them. |
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Posted By: Betsian
Date Posted: 28/June/2017 at 10:34
By the look of it the trouble didn't end in Albufeira it is reported that it continued at Faro Airport.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/821994/portugal-invasion-british-tourists-fight-faro-airport-police
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Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 28/June/2017 at 11:10
Anyone got links that don't involve right wing propaganda rags?
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Posted By: Jock
Date Posted: 28/June/2017 at 12:08
Didn't seem to be anything in Socialist Worker or National Enquirer.
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Posted By: Linda
Date Posted: 28/June/2017 at 14:44
We always stay in Olhos anyway. It is quieter and has the stunning cliffs and Falesia beach.
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Posted By: tonisdad
Date Posted: 28/June/2017 at 18:57
Betsian wrote:
By the look of it the trouble didn't end in Albufeira it is reported that it continued at Faro Airport.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/821994/portugal-invasion-british-tourists-fight-faro-airport-police |
Think that was scraped off facebook Daughter was on about it last night. Think it was a couple of birds from different `hoods. Think that is what their type refer to it as.
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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 29/June/2017 at 08:02
I have to say that none of the newspapers I read had a single word about this.
Attention seekers getting their fix of it in trashy rags, job done for them.
Massive profit for the hotels and organisers, job done for them.
No morals required, let's make a quick buck. Next year, somewhere new and unsuspecting.
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Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 29/June/2017 at 08:55
Agreed, we picked up several yesterday and not a word.
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Posted By: peteknopp
Date Posted: 29/June/2017 at 08:59
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Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 29/June/2017 at 10:33
Is that today's paper Pete? Nothing in yesterday's so if it is it's taken two days to report?
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Posted By: peteknopp
Date Posted: 29/June/2017 at 12:23
was told daily star and i got pic yesterday
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Posted By: cameroncleggout
Date Posted: 29/June/2017 at 18:20
Don`t want to worry Simpson too much, but it is a stated fact that most of the Portugal invasion revellers were staying at Club Praia Oura. So I think its safe to say CPO will allow almost anybody to stay in their hotel
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Posted By: cameroncleggout
Date Posted: 29/June/2017 at 18:26
Algarveaddict. They were not even reporting on it in my Morning Star according to my daughter who is still in the UK whilst I`m splashing the cash in the sun like the true Socialist I am
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Posted By: simpson
Date Posted: 03/July/2017 at 20:32
I wont tell her that as i know she wont go on holiday there if she knows they allowed them all to stay there and that they let all stag and hens as well. thanks for the info.
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Posted By: pyrman
Date Posted: 04/July/2017 at 10:31
Between the three hotels at that end, Muthu have 900 apartments, which won`t ever be more than 90% full even right now ... nor more than around 50% full outside of the June-Sep window. Of course, they have recently closed Forte da Oura and Oura Praia (300 apts) during `winter` for that very reason .. and not actually the ones they gave. You can bet your bottom dollar they`ll take anyone ... and in the current high demand, everyone and their dog will be going there.
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Posted By: Chloe
Date Posted: 06/July/2017 at 14:02
Unless something is done about the disgusting behavious or some of the visitors to Albufeira, it will slide down the sewer even further than it is now. It is fast becoming Blackpool with sun ( a title previously held by Benidorm but not now it seems). However the bar owners are perfectly happy to serve anyone with never ending amounts of drink. Families seem to be in short supply at the moment. This will only get worse if nothing is done to stop the tide of stag and hen parties ( which do bring in money but for a limited number of outlets) and the large parties intent on getting so drunk they cannot stand. I have been coming to Albufeira for a number of years now and have seen the general decline over the past few years.
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Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 06/July/2017 at 15:20
What can the authorities realistically do? They can suggest to people like MGM that licencing may be delayed a bit, but people like MGM are very rich and have good lawyers. They can suggest that hotels don't take large group bookings at weekends, but that is all they can do - suggest it.
Another part of the problem is that the "limited number of outlets" are owned by people who are very influential in a small town like Albufeira.
As I wrote earlier in the thread, unfortunately the families simply don't spend enough, too many on all inclusive deals or tight budgets (through no fault of their own, I understand that). For bars and restaurants to stay open, they need more than Julie, Steve and the two kids coming in once during their stay and having burger and chips and a couple of drinks.
The one thing that can be done is that when drunken behaviour does occur, it gets dealt with swiftly by the police. But they cannot be everywhere.
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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 07/July/2017 at 08:11
Families are short supply at the moment because the English school holidays haven't started. It will be different picture in a couple of weeks time.
Holiday companies are really pushing the Algarve because it is cheap for Brits and seen as safer than Egypt, Turkey, Tunisia etc. The fad will pass once the profiteering starts and hotels etc push up their prices.
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Posted By: DICEYUK
Date Posted: 11/July/2017 at 07:31
Seems like this is happening almost everywhere
http://www.northnorfolknews.co.uk/news/groom-is-stripped-naked-and-urinated-on-during-stag-party-on-norfolk-broads-1-5100336" rel="nofollow - http://www.northnorfolknews.co.uk/news/groom-is-stripped-naked-and-urinated-on-during-stag-party-on-norfolk-broads-1-5100336
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Posted By: ClaireKildare
Date Posted: 11/July/2017 at 10:32
It happens every weekend in Temple Bar in Dublin. Poor tourists walk right into the middle of it, locals know better and steer well clear.
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Posted By: sunseeker2010
Date Posted: 11/July/2017 at 13:20
We were in the Old Town last week during the afternoon and there was a noticeable increase in the number of stag parties than we have seen on our numerous other visits over the years.
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Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 11/July/2017 at 17:45
http://algarvedailynews.com/news/9107-portugal-s-government-to-ask-britain-and-france-to-send-police
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Posted By: Jock
Date Posted: 12/July/2017 at 19:24
Our police put up with too much. I'd be happier to see the GNR lay heavy hands on troublemakers & give them a few bruises to add to their tattoos. (it's true. The older I get the more right wing I become.)
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Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 13/July/2017 at 07:08
I become more left wing mate - but I happen to agree with you on this one...
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Posted By: tiganut
Date Posted: 14/July/2017 at 08:10
Very often,left wing,& right wing have very similar objectives,they just take different paths to get there.
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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 14/July/2017 at 08:47
GNR are military and suitably hard looking when they want to be. I didn't know that the Spanish Guardia Civil can be called upon and they can be even harder.
Now then sir, just move along quietly please, doesn't enter in their vocabularies I am sure.
Given the total disrespect for our nice British policemen, I would also prefer order to be kept by men with guns, water cannon and teargas if necessary, not a little baton.
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Posted By: Jock
Date Posted: 14/July/2017 at 11:58
"they don't like it up'em, Mr Mainwaring!"
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