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Topic: Changes to Giro bus routes in Albufeira
Posted By: cubsur
Subject: Changes to Giro bus routes in Albufeira
Date Posted: 24/September/2022 at 19:00
Five electric buses have entered service on the Albufeira Giro bus network. This is on a test basis ahead of a total of 23 electric buses due to be in service by June 2023 to replace and augment the existing diesel fleet.

On 1st December the number of routes on the system will increase from five to 11. Details of actual routes and of course timetables are not yet known, but new areas to be covered will include Olhos de Água, Rocha Baixinha, Malhada Velha, Fontainhas, Cerros Altos, Mosqueira, Patroves, Galé/Salgados, Vale Parra, Guia e Algarve Shopping.

Which on face of it will please residents of Olhos de Água in particular, who have long since been moaning about their poor bus service and even more so over the last couple of years since most weekend buses operated by EVA and VAMUS were discontinued.

And to be able to get a bus to Algarve Shopping should please a lot of people!

https://www.cm-albufeira.pt/content/municipio-de-albufeira-e-o-unico-nivel-nacional-com-autocarros-100-eletricos?fbclid=IwAR1SYLPG8e1sUSrLbDXfqV6DbPd-rzbMNZJi9x8QdWYPa-XLoezgSJmFREM" rel="nofollow - https://www.cm-albufeira.pt/content/municipio-de-albufeira-e-o-unico-nivel-nacional-com-autocarros-100-eletricos?fbclid=IwAR1SYLPG8e1sUSrLbDXfqV6DbPd-rzbMNZJi9x8QdWYPa-XLoezgSJmFREM some pictures at the bottom.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 25/September/2022 at 07:47
I should have course have said that it is quite likely the fares will go up, after no increase for several years though. Free travel for schoolchildren will be maintained.

Another report says that, in time, it will be possible to recharge passes on line and that there will be a real time app to show where the bus is, which is already the case with VAMUS or most of them anyway. Those who are technologically limited will have to stand and wait, in hope, as has been the case for 150 years.

The new operator for the Giro service will be Grupo Barraqueiro, who operate among other things the Fertagus local trains in Lisbon, the Metro sul do Tejo tram system south of the river, the local buses around Évora, many buses around Lisbon and who are major players in the Rede Expressos national coach system.

[As an aside, I think everyone over age 10 should be given a smartphone by the government. That way they cannot be said to be discriminating when it comes to providing services.]


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 28/September/2022 at 07:50
A thought occurs (yes, dangerous I know) that with 11 Giro routes, will there be room for them all to congregate at the main bus station as the five existing routes do? Or will some have to begin and end their journeys elsewhere in town?

Maybe we shall find out before the time comes.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 19/November/2022 at 08:05
There is still no information available about the changes to the buses due to come into effect on 1st December. This will be no surprise to those who live here!

A new official website http://www.vamusalgarve.pt/giro" rel="nofollow - www.vamusalgarve.pt/giro is under construction. At the moment it has partial information about the five existing routes including route maps marking all the stops.  Using the map and the 'origin / destination' function under Lines (American English, yuk!) you can see the times of the buses between any two stops. You do of course need to be able to read a map to you can find out where you are and where you want to go to. The 'plan your journey' function is not yet working.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 24/November/2022 at 08:52
We are now a week away from the big upheaval to local buses and there is still no information available about the new routes and times.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 25/November/2022 at 14:24
Still no details about new routes and times. Good PR is clearly still not relevant. What I have found out is that fares will not be going up and that I think there will be no changes to the existing five routes, except they will have numbers as well as names. Also the website and app now enables you to see how far away the next bus is from the stop you are waiting at.

VAMUS have advised those with passes for the number 8 route to Rocha Baixinha and the 75 through Galé and Salgados that they must obtain new ones at the bus station.


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Posted By: pyrman
Date Posted: 26/November/2022 at 13:16
on the camara website about the contract signing on Nov 22 .... all details and new giro map

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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 27/November/2022 at 08:40
Seen that but now the VAMUS website has the times and maps for the new system. it didn't until yesterday!

I am working hard to update my pages. Fares are going up - a lot! Good news is that my seniors pass won't be going up. Some routes will have fewer buses at the weekend.

new route map - https://vamusalgarve.pt/#/pt/albufeira/pre-purchase-fares" rel="nofollow - https://vamusalgarve.pt/#/pt/albufeira/pre-purchase-fares click mapa rede
new (simplified) timetables - https://vamusalgarve.pt/#/pt/albufeira/schedules" rel="nofollow - https://vamusalgarve.pt/#/pt/albufeira/schedules


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 27/November/2022 at 16:31
Maps and simple timetables are indeed available at the website. I have spent a joyful morning browsing. Some routes have a bus every 20 minutes at busy weekday times, some now have only one bus an hour all day Saturday. Branqueira has lost almost all its buses. Good news for those arriving by train is that the existing route from the station now goes into the old town around by the town hall before going to the bus station. Bad news is that it will run only once an hour at weekends and it goes on a little circuit of the west side of Ferreiras before heading into town, so takes nearly twice as long. But there will be a second quicker route between the station and the bus station running every half hour seven days a week, going the other way through Torre Mosqueira and Brejos.

Another useful new route is number 10 which runs every half hour every day on a pretty direct route between the bus station, the Cãmara, then old town at Rua Alves Correeia and the Pau da Bandeira view point. If they don't change their minds, there will be late night service in the summer.

The current appalling 'service'  through Galé, Salgados and Vale de Parra to Guia will be transformed and have a bus once every hour on weekdays, once every 2 hours at the weekend and on holidays. In theory there will be connections at Guia with the number 7 below.

Another handy new route for many will be number 7 from the bus station to Guia via Algarve Shopping. That will run once an hour every day, but for some obscure reason will not run before 1000am in summer. if they don't change their minds.

The marina area will be served by two routes, numbers 3 and 8, therefore three buses an hour for most of the day. Since hardly anyone ever gets on or off there, it will be interesting to see if this largesse brings more passengers. There have never been any GIRO timetables at the bus stops. I wonder if the council has spent some money so that people who cannot or will not access information on line will know what the times are.

There has been nothing obvious to be seen on the buses or at the bus station to alert people of these changes. I remember the previous time when old ladies were shaking their walking sticks at the drivers when the bus didn't go where they thought it would.

Many of the timetables show routes making little diversions at certain times of the day, so it no longer possible for some to be at a regular so many minutes past the hour. I have been furiously scribbling down various new journeys as there will no longer be a direct bus to take me to and from the bowls club.

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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 29/November/2022 at 07:34
I think I have now managed to decipher the new network. The map looks like a bowl of multi-coloured spaghetti that has been dropped on the floor. Almost everyone, myself included, is going to have to work out how to make their customary journeys in a new way.

My best efforts so far are at http://www.algarvebus.info/albufeira_giro_all.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.algarvebus.info/albufeira_giro_all.htm

I shall continue to check and add more information as and when I can.

There is no advice or warning posted on the buses or at the bus station so it will not surprise me at all if many are caught out on Thursday and Friday.


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Posted By: pyrman
Date Posted: 29/November/2022 at 10:24
I am absolutely gobsmacked that the link between Montechoro and Santa Eulalia with the escalators, etc has been broken ... one of the busiest routes on the network ... and with buses now going in the opposite direction to previously, ending and starting at Liberdade ... doubt many people will figure it worth using, since two or three in a taxi will be cheaper. Of course they can get off at Town hall and walk down !  These are the most incompetent arrangements for transport I have ever seen ... terrible for disabled or those with walking difficulties. They seem to want people to go via the bus station ... does that cost more ?

I have never seen CM-Albufeira being `friendly` towards tourists ... and this latest trick appears decidely unfriendly .. opposite to likes of Balneario Camboriu in Brazil, where they do everything possible for tourism.

Another corker is that the Red does not appear to go to Liberdade after Camping but heads straight up to Pateo .. then Patroves ... Marina .. and back via Liberdade. If so, people at Camping will have to cross the busy main road and get the Laranja into Old Town ... so many ideas inconsistent with good practice... and safety.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 30/November/2022 at 08:29
There will indeed no longer be a direct link between the Oura end of town and the Rua Alves Correeia end of the old town. The two main circular routes at Oura (numbers 2 and 4) will be going to and from Avenida da Liberdade. The only bus going down Rua do MFA and into that part of town, including Pau da Bandeira,  will be the number 10, which will run to and from the bus station every 20 minutes. But it does not connect with the 2 and 4 anywhere except at the bus station.

Buses in the Cerro Malpique area will be running in one direction only, down the hill. So anyone wanting to from old town up the hill towards ALDI and LIDL will have to go a very long way around.

And yes the new route 3 will run direct from Camping Albufeira direct via the Dolphins to the marina and back to town via the existing Vermelha 1 route. How many people will want to go from the Camping to the marina? A few journeys a day will divert to run via Páteo and Patroves, down the hill to the marina that way. An even more unlikely journey!

On the plus side it will make a faster link between marina and old town in that direction rather than going through the Cerro Grande area. But to go back to the marina, the map says to take the number 9 up one stop to the Avenida by the traffic lights and change to number 3 there. But, no! The 9 will leave the Avenida at 22 and 52 minutes past, so we can infer arrival at the next stop at say 24 and 54. The number 3 leaves there at 15 and 45, approximately.

Try explaining that to the tourists! In the face of that and the €1,90 cash fare, a 5 minute €4 -5 taxi or uber ride for two people is indeed more attractive.

A few years ago there was a massive upheaval to local routes around Portimão, which didn't last long before it was changed again in face of a huge number of complaints. I can see the same happening here.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 30/November/2022 at 09:42
The thought also occurs that with eight different routes stopping at the Câmara going in all kinds of different directions that there will be much caos e confusão even tomorrow, let alone Friday!

I can bet 100% that no-one from the Câmara or the bus company will be on hand to help people figure things out


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Posted By: lizrod
Date Posted: 30/November/2022 at 12:24
All sounds so confusing. Will it be a better route for people who live in Ferreiras, as the one we have is a circular route that goes to the bus station then you have to change buses to where ever you want to go.



Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 01/December/2022 at 10:26
Yes Ferreiras will be better off as the number 5 will go down into the old town Avenida da Liberdade before heading back via the Câmara up to the bus station. Downside will be only one bus an hour at the weekend. The number 5 goes around the area of Ferreiras near the church and school, which will save people a bit of a walk.

I am not sure if the 'obvious' connection from the old town to Ferreiras via the bus station will work unless it's the same bus used, as it arrives 1 minute before the time from the bus station.  Something I would not trust anywhere. Something on the 'to check' list.

There is the option of taking the number 9 from Avenida da Liberdade to the Centro Saúde then walking around the coner (they moved the stops away from the roundabout) and wait 14 minutes for the number 5 to Ferreiras.

Official new map and timetable - http://www.algarvebus.info/PDF/Giro-2022/Giro_5.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.algarvebus.info/PDF/Giro-2022/Giro_5.pdf


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Posted By: pyrman
Date Posted: 01/December/2022 at 10:38
The most obvious thing that gets me is that there was no need to change the original four main routes Red 1, Red 2, Green and Blue which covered almost 90 % of the routes they need to run. Only FOUR additional routes would have been required as well as extending Red 1 to Patroves.
Guia via Gale, Guia via Shopping, Rocha Baixina and splitting the Laranja. As I said before, this is pure change for the sake of change and ... pure incompetence.


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Posted By: lizrod
Date Posted: 01/December/2022 at 17:08
Thank you for the information Cubser, this site is full of great information 😁


Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 01/December/2022 at 18:02
With the black clouds overhead, I took a bus back home after a little walk around the marina. As expected, there is not a shred of information about the new system at any of the four bus stops I either walked past or used.

Don't have a smartphone? Sorry, you are not worthy of our business plan.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 04/December/2022 at 09:57
There are now small posters and maps (but no timetables) at the bus station but at the stops there is nothing at all about the new system. Some stops still have the old maps on show, there never was a published timetable of course. How can a public transport operation expect to attract passengers if they don't now where and when the buses will run? That was certainly the case on Saturday morning, with the driver on Linha 9 having to deal with questions and complaints because of the lack of information. Not every has a phone in their hand and even those who do probably don't know where to look.

Another thing I noticed was that the timetable is very tight. Despite making only four stops in the 23 minutes of my journey, we only just reached the end stop on time. At busy times (e.g. school times) things could get very out of sync.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 05/December/2022 at 09:47
Timetables have appeared at the bus station stops, but still either the old stuff or nothing at all anywhere else.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 06/December/2022 at 14:55
As I suspected the new timetables are proving impossible for the drivers to keep. Yesterday afternoon my bus back from Continente to Páteo was 17 minutes late, this morning my bus from Páteo to the nearest place I can now to get for the bowls club was 14 minutes late. Not helped by every bus being flagged down at every stop where people are waiting to ask the driver if he or she is going where they want to go and then a minute's debate ensues about which one they should take.

There is NO INFORMATION at all at the bus stops. If you are so unlucky as to not to have access to the website or app, you are clearly not worthy of being transported. Completely unacceptable.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 08/December/2022 at 08:32
Another small forward step is that some of the buses have been 'reprogrammed' so that they now show route number and destination. There is still no information whatsoever at the bus stops.


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Posted By: Bunnyrunner
Date Posted: 08/December/2022 at 10:36
Cubsur, can you still hop off one bus onto another one within the hour on the same ticket?

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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 09/December/2022 at 07:44
I don't know. I have a seniors pass so no personal experience. The information on the website does not state it explicitly one way or the other.

The new two zone fare system does mean that you cannot use a 1 zone cash paid ticket to go say from Oura to Ferreiras, so that might be complicating things.

If I want to go to Ferreiras or Guia on my pass, I have to pay an extra €1,50 for a two zone pass.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 10/December/2022 at 08:50
Complete chaos on the system yesterday. In the early morning, my bus was 'only' 8 minutes late when I got on, 11 minutes late when I got off across town. Later in the morning the buses were running 20 - 25 minutes behind schedule and not just on my route. One bus sailed by the stop where I waiting with 3 others, despite two of us signalling. Still no information at bus stops, so people still have to flag down the driver to ask where he or she is going.

 It's clearly not working and I expect changes in the not too distant future.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 10/December/2022 at 14:28
Seems even the drivers don't know. I forgot to mention yesterday that the driver in the afternoon had a map in his hands to remind him where to go. This afternoon's driver did not and took a wrong turn at the Watches roundabout then completely forgot to go into the old town Avenida Liberdade before the Dolphins.


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Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 12/December/2022 at 11:49
I expect changes will take place around December next year, because nobody will be held to account for the chaos, and the powers that be will insist everything is alright, despite the evidence of their own eyes (a bit like Brexit). 

The principal behind it is sound, but the execution up to Albufeira's usual standards. Get people out of cars and onto buses. Except making it almost as dear for two people to catch a bus to Seismarias as the cost of getting an UBER from door to door isn't the way to do it. The usual complete lack of information is no help either.

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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 12/December/2022 at 16:53
Caught this from the live tracker on their website at 1648 for the arrivals due at the stop at the Health Centre for buses going to the bus station. The timetable says every route 7 runs every 60 minutes.

7 Pedra Escorregar-Terminal Rodoviário 1 min
Vehicle: 88-NO-69
7 Pedra Escorregar-Terminal Rodoviário 15 min
Vehicle: 89-PT-60
7 Pedra Escorregar-Terminal Rodoviário 16 min
Vehicle: 88-NO-70

If you don't have a pass a journey for two people in town is almost as expensive as uber, probably slower and not much more so than a normal taxi. So those unfortunates without phones (and people like me who refuse to give money to faceless USA based megacorporations who pay their workers next to nothing) are paying through the nose to get around by bus. I predict the system will collapse and be overhauled within a month.



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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 15/December/2022 at 14:59
Several of the routes and timetables have been changed as of TODAY with absolultely no announcement or warning! I shall do my best to catch up as and when I might get home!


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 16/December/2022 at 07:33
I think I have the changes sorted but will not load my new versions until I have double checked everything. Should be done early this afternoon. Some changes are for the better, one not so good for me!

These changes were announced on the website yesterday evening, in some cases a week AFTER they had happened.

Routes 2 and 4 will take a curious diversion on weekdays only between the Worms and the Watches, going up the hill to Correeia and the area by Janelas do Mar then back down through Bellavista to the main road. At the weekend they stay on the main road.
Route 3 will now run between Old Town and Marina in both directions
Route 4 will go into the bus station before wandering off up the hill to Vale das Pedras
Route 6 has an earlier first bus every morning to and from Olhos D'Água
Route 7 re-timed five minutes later from Guia towards Algarve Shopping and Albufeira, allowing a decent connection with route 8 from Galé, Salgados and Vale de Parra.
Route 9 extended via Branqueira, Vale Navio, Vale da Azinheira to Patã de Baixo, thus adding those last two places to the network and restoring a decent service at Branqueira. Bad news is that there will now be only one bus an hour along the road through Páteo, meaning I have to figure out a new way to get to the bowls club and must also time my shopping trips a bit more carefully.
Route 10 was announced not run on Sundays, meaning no buses at all down the Rua do MFA into that area of the old town on a Sunday. At least, that's what yesterday's version of the timetable said. As of this morning, the previous timetable has been re-instated, wit h Sunday buses every half hour.

According to the website, the timetable for route 9 is changing again from tomorrow but is nowhere to be seen!

Very hard to keep up!


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 17/December/2022 at 08:35
Yesterday two of the drivers were handing out flyers with a map and list of routes, but no timetables. If you don't have a suitable mobile device the times of the buses must remain a mystery to you. That meant a two minute discussion at many stops between driver and passengers wanting to know if the bus was going where they wanted and if not how to get to where they needed to be.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 11/January/2023 at 09:12
Three weeks further on and there is still absolutely no information at all at the bus stops about where the buses go and what times they run, or even where to go for the information on line. The old maps have been left in situ. People are still stopping buses to ask if it's the right one for them.

No-one in the town council seems to have any interest in providing information. Scathing comments are all over blogs etc. I found one which said, more or less, that it's all very well taking beautiful photos of electric buses to make the council look good...

If you don't have a suitable mobile device and know where to look, you are clearly unworthy.

At least there have been no further recent changes, but I am sure they will spring something on us.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 25/January/2023 at 09:06
They've done it again! Yesterday an announcement appeared on the official website with minor changes to Giro 3 to come into effect - last Friday!


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 01/February/2023 at 10:28
Announced yesterday afternoon, ALL the Giro bus times have been changed starting from today.

I will be updating as fast as I can.


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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 02/February/2023 at 08:25
Two sets of routes were combined to make circular routes, one of which is actually quite reasonable and useful as it officially provides a direct bus service for the first time ever between São Rafael, Galé, Salgados, Vale de Parra and the Algarve Shopping mall near Guia. Many other changes were minor but announcing changes less than 24 hours notice is ridiculous.

Route 7 now runs in a circle Albufeira Bus Station - Algarve Shopping - Guia - Vale de Parra - Salgados - Galé - São Rafael - Marina - Albufeira with route 8 going in the opposite direction. That will make things easier for those in Guia to get to the beach and those in Galé etc to go to Algarve Shopping.

Route 5 and 11 are similarly combined to run as circular routes between Albufeira, Ferreiras and the railway station. Number 11 will take people from the station and Ferreiras down into the old town.

Route 6 around Açoteais is being badly affected by a long term road closure for drainage works. Buses are often 15 - 20 minutes behind time according to the GPS trackers. Vamus has not seen fit to issue a temporary timetable to take account of this.

And there is still not a shred of information at any bus stop or on the buses, not even a clue as to where to look for it. Do they wonder why the buses are running almost empty?


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