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I can only wonder why the same early closing is not applied on weekdays. Why are Saturday and Sunday nights so different to say Friday?

Taking it one step further, if the situation is that bad, why not close everything down as it was before until this goes away?

Shops and all other forms of commerce should be closed . Stay at home and wait it out.


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Portugal, particularly the Algarve, are between a rock and a hard place, they are very dependant on tourism yet if they open themselves up, as they did, they invite trouble.

The weekend/midweek thing I'd imagine is about maintaining say 40% of the business while eliminating 60% of the risk, just enough to help keep businesses open without allowing covid to go bananas and hoping at the same time the vaccination programme will eventually get them ahead of the game.
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The weekend early closing would seem to be to deter weekenders coming from the North and avoiding large family gatherings as is the custom at the weekends.

Essentially all foreign tourists coming to the Algarve have tested negative to enter the country, but you can freely come to the Algarve from the North where the incidence of cases is higher.

Interesting article in the Portugal Resident, saying just that. The Algarve Health Delegate Ana Cristina Guerreiro said, The arrival of tourists from other parts of the country during the long weekends earlier this month is said to have spiked the region’s tally.

Even so the numbers game is still being played with very dodgy rules. The numerator rises due to tourist influx but the denominator stays fixed at the local population. Clearly not a sound calculation.

The Algarve incidence rate was 186 per 100,000 population, so above the 140/100,000 threshold, yet she states that one third of the positives were from Foreign tourists. If you would reduce the numerator by that amount you would only have an incidence rate of 124 per 100,000 which would be below the threshold and our weekends would be unchanged!

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http://https://www.ugalresident.com/family-gatherings-and-long-weekend-tourists-behind-algarves-rising-covid-cases-health-delegate-says/ - http://https://www.portugalresident.com/family-gatherings-and-long-weekend-tourists-behind-algarves-rising-covid-cases-health-delegate-says/

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JuliejH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25/June/2021 at 16:42
I agree with all that, there are a lot of people who have holiday homes or family in the Algarve and come down every weekend , so the Lisbon restrictions and Albufeira ones are an attempt to deter the flow of cases , younger a symptomatic are unaware they spread it ! Open borders will also contribute as they are not coming in with negative tests like a person from the Uk, who has double vaccinated and tests !
It is starting to repeat last summer where cases rocketed and Portugal ended up losing out .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Citroen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25/June/2021 at 17:22
If people travelling internally is a problem, it's easy enough to restrict movement to within a region, then only allow the doubly vaccinated tourist in. I'd forget the tests, unless you get one with result in the 5 minutes before you step on a plane, it's really a waste of time, money and effort.
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From what I have been reading, the current variety is no worse for almost everyone than a bad cold. Are we to be tested for colds now before we step on a plane or go to a football match?

Meanwhile around 7,000 people in Albufeira are apparently out of work or on short time.

There is much muttering from next door about the early closure this weekend. When the fortnightly review system began the announcements on a Thursday came into effect the following Monday. Now people are being given less than 48 hours notice of closures. Think of all the food that is being wasted because it won't be sold.
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Just announced that Portugal are restricting UK travellers , 14 day quarantine unless you can prove full completed course of vaccination 14 days before travelling ! Effective from 28th June midnight
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Yes, confirmed this morning with caveats such as it doesn't state whether children and teenagers are exempt. They won't have been vaccinated yet.

Bang goes summer tourism unless something dramatic happens over the next month or so.
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Originally posted by cubsur cubsur wrote:

Yes, confirmed this morning with caveats such as it doesn't state whether children and teenagers are exempt. They won't have been vaccinated yet.

Bang goes summer tourism unless something dramatic happens over the next month or so.

Simon Calder in the Telegraph states that Children under 12 are exempt.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Algarveaddick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28/June/2021 at 10:48
Originally posted by cubsur cubsur wrote:

Yes, confirmed this morning with caveats such as it doesn't state whether children and teenagers are exempt. They won't have been vaccinated yet.

Bang goes summer tourism unless something dramatic happens over the next month or so.

While I agree it isn't great, mate, the UK government constantly chopping and changing the rules is more damaging than a clear and concise declaration from the Portuguese.   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JuliejH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29/June/2021 at 21:20
Coming out that Portugal have changed the decision to not allow children above 12 to visit , now the 12-18 just need a negative test to travel with their fully vaccinated parents and then avoid the quarantine , good news .
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Too late. Portugal has as good as lost another Summer Season. If they don`t want the Hat-Trick in 2022 get jabbing and don`t stop until everyone willing to have the Jab have had it
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cubsur Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/July/2021 at 07:44
From tonight, a complete curfew applies in Albufeira from 2300 until 0500 every night. This won't make one iota of difference to me and I suspect most others, but the idea is apparently to stop young people mingling in private homes.

Other than than this, the existing rules concerning early closing continue in force. The curfew also applies to Loulé and Olhão.

Most of the rest of the Algarve is now subject to the early closing rules  but not the curfew.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cubsur Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03/July/2021 at 08:35
Closer reading shows there is a list of exemptions to the curfew a yard long, one of which is simply 'going home'.
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