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Analogue.man.in.a.di
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Topic: BREXIT –STRAWS IN THE WIND Posted: 12/July/2016 at 07:55 |
Apparently
these are the first ideas from the new UK Brexit Management Govt Dept.
impacting ex-pats.
State pensions
Current
reciprocal payment arrangements for ex-pats to end. Inflation indexing to end
with payment levels frozen like those to non EU nations – Canada, Australia,
etc. Payments made after deduction of a Govt. levy/charge for administration.
Maybe private pension payments also subjected to the levy.
Driving licences
Current
reciprocal arrangements to end, leading to insurance changes.
Insurance
Current
arrangements to end. So, for motoring, this seems to imply that ex-pats would
have to immediately apply for a Portuguese licence via test, to then obtain
local motoring cover. This could be rather expensive.
For
property and similar cover, companies that use the UK insurance market to levy
a Govt. ex-pat surcharge.
Passports/ freedom of
movement
Existing
EU (UK state member) passports replaced on their expiry with a traditional British
Passport, BUT only for bona-fide entitled holders – won’t that be fun!!!. For
ex-pats, these to be obtained only via a personal UK appointment for
registration under a new ex-pat category - to flag up non UK residency. New
‘domestic visa’ restrictions on ex-pats limiting return visits to the UK for a
set timescale (? 30/60 days per annum) to stop medical tourism on the NHS or
similar services via accommodation addresses.
Benefits
Current
arrangements to end with the new passport category used to identify those
living abroad and claiming UK benefits via tame family ‘ghosts’ in the UK.
(Thought they already did that?)
Taxation & Property
Current
arrangements to end. New HMRC regime to enforce a double-taxation regime on
ex-pat property owners using current arrangement to avoid tax and keep
undeclared income renting out properties, including ‘source-tracing’ to
identify the original source of money used for property purchases against UK
tax payment history. One source tells me that this side of things is based on
the fact that as Portugal is one of the most exposed - if the suspected Eurozone
disintegration occurs, then any money hidden away under nom-de-plume names in Portuguese
banks, or under the mattress, might be wiped out or rendered worthless
overnight.
So,
subject to any “counter-measures†to be announced by Portugal against UK
ex-pats who, in the main, are considered to make little or no local contribution
to their lifestyles, it may be time to start dusting off the suitcases &
packing up the tea-chests for a quick sale folks.
These
early straws-in-the-wind reminded me of something. Those of us who are of 'a certain age' will recall what
happened to those Brits who stayed on in Rhodesia after it went UDI in the
1960’s. I recall newspaper stories of people being barred from re-entering or
returning home penniless – in short being regarded as lepers. It might be worth
doing a little bit of on-line research here as there appears to be a parallel.
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cubsur
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Posted: 12/July/2016 at 08:30 |
Source? Or just guesswork. But nothing I would not expect to be on the table, as much of this applies to those ex-pats resident in say Canada or Australia especially the pensions part.
Not to mention full customs restrictions eg only 200 fags back into UK.
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tonisdad
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Posted: 12/July/2016 at 08:48 |
The what?...UK Brexit Management Govt. Dept.....We haven`t even got a working Government at the minute. Nothing but scaremongering and rumour. The way things are panning out there will not even be a Brexit.
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Analogue.man.in.a.di
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Posted: 13/July/2016 at 13:25 |
Source,
Cubsur, a trustworthy source.
Watch
awhile & the ‘independent’ BBC (which we pay for) will start dribbling them out..
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vinnym
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Posted: 13/July/2016 at 13:34 |
How can you describe any politician or associate as trustworthy these days
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bob d
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Posted: 13/July/2016 at 14:05 |
. "New HMRC regime to enforce a double-taxation regime on ex-pat property owners"
There is already double taxation for property owners. I know that for a fact, I pay it.
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tonisdad
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Posted: 13/July/2016 at 19:05 |
vinnym wrote:
How can you describe any politician or associate as trustworthy these days |
Absolutely. 99% are out for nothing more than to feather their own nests and further their own causes. That`s from local Government to the top. Seen it all in action in our local Council. Keep your gob shut and say nout and you can be Mayor next year for instance. We are only pawns who exist to pay the expenses.
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tiganut
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Posted: 14/July/2016 at 07:09 |
vinnym wrote:
How can you describe any politician or associate as trustworthy these days |
When they are deceased. It is easy to tell when a politician is telling lies,their lips are moving.
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Jock
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Posted: 14/July/2016 at 10:59 |
Politicians are a fine upstanding body of men & women. They kiss babies so they must be OK.
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Phil.
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Posted: 14/July/2016 at 12:37 |
Hi,could you please furnish me with the source of your post?Seems rather alarmist to me.Also,if you are already registered with the Social Security, Tax Office and Local Municipal Offices in Portugal, if the UK government wanted to change the rules,surely it would only apply to newcomers. Otherwise, it would be retrospective legislation and, as such,totally unfair.
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Phil.
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Posted: 14/July/2016 at 20:03 |
The lack of an answer from Analogue. man speaks volumes. Sounded like a still festering Remain supporter. The only way forward is for everyone to pull together and prove that we can make an independent Britain, great once more.
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tiganut
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Posted: 14/July/2016 at 21:04 |
Jock wrote:
Politicians are a fine upstanding body of men & women. They kiss babies so they must be OK. |
Are you sure they are kissing them?They might just be tasting them.
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Jock
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Posted: 15/July/2016 at 12:11 |
I, like most Scots & Northern Irish who voted, was a remain supporter and am heart-sick. However, the decision has been made. We must get the best deal we can for the UK and put differences behind us. No point in festering.
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Algarveaddick
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Posted: 15/July/2016 at 14:44 |
Phil. wrote:
Hi,could you please furnish me with the source of your post?Seems rather alarmist to me.Also,if you are already registered with the Social Security, Tax Office and Local Municipal Offices in Portugal, if the UK government wanted to change the rules,surely it would only apply to newcomers. Otherwise, it would be retrospective legislation and, as such,totally unfair. | Not lived here long have you Phil?
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DICEYUK
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Posted: 15/July/2016 at 17:58 |
Jock wrote:
I, like most Scots & Northern Irish who voted, was a remain supporter and am heart-sick. However, the decision has been made. We must get the best deal we can for the UK and put differences behind us. No point in festering. |
It was a UK referendum so how Scots, NI, London or anywhere else voted is irrelevant. You simply cannot have seperate areas of the UK saying that because they voted in, and lost, they now want to be treated differently. It was always a case of we were either going to be all in or all out - end of.
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