2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some
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Topic: 2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some
Posted By: Jayjan
Subject: 2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some
Date Posted: 30/September/2016 at 21:59
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Just found this in the algarvedailynews re massive increase on IMI for some homeowners. http://www.algarvedailynews.com/news/9957-property-owners-with-low-utility-bills-face-300-imi-rates-increase ------------- Polli the dancing cat strikes again. |
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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 01/October/2016 at 10:12
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Fortunately for many of us mainly empty properties. Seems a bit nasty though. Did you read about the one off 'mansion tax' that is also being imposed to fund the reduction in the IVA on restaurant meals? I would imagine most people affected by either will refuse to pay or be already contacting their lawyers. ------------- Albufeira Resident www.algarvebus.info public transport information for the Algarve |
Posted By: Jayjan
Date Posted: 02/October/2016 at 18:48
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Also found this re the Registered Alojamento local license (AL) for short term rental property owners. http://algarvedailynews.com/news/9980-income-tax-shock-for-registered-alojamento-local-owners
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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 03/October/2016 at 11:27
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All that means is that fewer people will declare income from short lettings. Will government be monitoring sites like Airbnb and then go round to bang on doors? Wouldn't put it past them. ------------- Albufeira Resident www.algarvebus.info public transport information for the Algarve |
Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 03/October/2016 at 14:19
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They appear to have the foresight of a Brexit voter. ------------- Go away Duchatalet |
Posted By: Polo Marco
Date Posted: 03/October/2016 at 17:33
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Posted By: Epi360
Date Posted: 03/October/2016 at 19:10
The truth hurts  ------------- Music and sun |
Polo Marco wrote:Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 04/October/2016 at 13:24
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The UK will be the losers, sadly - even the mention of a date for triggering article 50 sends the value of the pound down. One of the beautiful things about "democracy" is that debate and discussion can go on after a decision is made. Opposition supporters don't just keep silent for five years after a government is elected. Brexit has already and will continue to effect me directly, as it has and will visitors to this country and others who come from the UK. Two of the three cornerstones of the Brexit claims were hastily withdrawn after the referendum, and those that made them, made themselves scarce as soon as they realised the mess they had created. You are the ones who should be sore, you are the ones they fooled... ------------- Go away Duchatalet |
Posted By: Epi360
Date Posted: 04/October/2016 at 15:37
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Well said Algarveaddick , as I said the truth hurts . ------------- Music and sun |
Posted By: Polo Marco
Date Posted: 04/October/2016 at 15:48
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I personally paid little attention to what either side said during the campaign, both sides were full of the brown stuff and I've been around long enough to take with a pinch of salt what any politician says. I did my own research and made my own mind up based on how I see things. I'm still waiting to be visited by the ten biblical plagues and an emergency budget which is going to increase taxes, slash NHS funding and cut OAP benefits immediately following the vote to leave. Nobody can say with any certainty whether the UK will be the losers or not, but there is nothing wrong with wanting to live in a country which makes its own laws and controls its own borders. One thing is certain, the EU and democracy do not go together. |
Posted By: DICEYUK
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 07:49
I think it's difficult for those who live abroad to actually gauge the strength of anti EU feeling in the UK. I voted remain, solely because I own a property within the EU, but when I went back to the UK after the vote I was surprised that so many, if not all, of my friends & family had voted to leave. Generally speaking the majority of people in the UK who I speak to couldn't care less about the negatives of leaving, least of all the exchange rate, as they would rather be free of further EU intervention in our way of life. And I must admit that I am rapidly coming round to their way of thinking. ------------- I hate how peopleï compare Frank Zappa to God. I mean, he's cool and great and nice and everything, but he's no Zappa. |
Posted By: tonisdad
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 09:36
Can`t argue with that. A lot of peoples` concerns is the amount of people entering the Country purely for economic reasons under the guise of persecution in their own Country. Often we don`t even know what Country they have come from as they declare they have no papers. We allow half of Eastern Europe to take all the lower paid jobs instead of making the unemployed get off their a***s On another thread it was mentioned the waiting time on the NHS...is there any wonder? Health,housing, education, general infrastructure one small Country can only supply so much. You only have to walk around any town centre and see the amount of other nationalities. Unfortunately this is what the person on the street sees. Trouble is you voice these concerns and you are accused of being racist. For me hopefully getting back to our own Government running the Country and not some unelected European nobody is worth a few Euros less on the exchange rate. Of course that is only part of the bigger picture. Whether it turns out to a good thing or a bad thing only time will tell. Hopefully it works out well for everybody. I think it makes healthy debate but I can`t understand why people are falling out over it as some of my mates have. By the way UKIP are looking for a new leader...anyone interested? |
Posted By: Patti
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 11:49
Totally agree with that Dicey , Britain will be better in the end , maybe be a bit rocky for while though |
Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 13:04
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Trouble is Paul (Toni's Dad), that almost all of what you have just written is not true or irrelevant. It's what you have been told, and you are reporting it in good faith, but it's massive exaggeration or lies. First point, "people entering the Country purely for economic reasons under the guise of persecution in their own Country". Apart from being a tiny number of people anyway - Britain has taken in less than 8000 Syrian refugees since 2011, for example and just 0.24% of the UK population are refugees - this has nothing whatsoever to do with whether we are in the EU or not, they are not EU migrants. Leaving the EU will not make it any harder for these people to come to the UK. Indeed, if the French open up that camp in Calais, as they have every right to do post-Brexit, I dare say there will be more asylum seekers/refugees, it stands to reason? The bit about "no papers" - well I have tried to find some accurate information about numbers on the internet, but all I could find were stories about asylum seekers actually being jailed for turning up without passports, and an entirely non-credible headline from The Express about asylum seekers in Germany. If you have a credible link for the claim, I would be happy to read it. "We allow half of Eastern Europe to take all the lower paid jobs instead of making the unemployed get off their a***s" Leaving aside the hyperbole worthy of The Daily Mail at it's worst , there are about 2.2 million EU immigrants working in the UK, there are 1.6 million unemployed. Even when I was at school, all those years ago, it was generally accepted that there are always about a million people unemployed at any one time (those between jobs, on "career breaks", unemployable etc), so the numbers don't stack up. 600'000 to do 2.2 million jobs? Leaving aside the fact that many of those EU migrants are actually A) not from Eastern Europe and B) in skilled jobs. And would you seriously expect a redundant 45 year old bank worker from Belfast to sell his house, take his kids out of school and move to Boston to pick fruit? Would you do it? Ultimately, it's down to the UK government to deal with the lazy buggers, leaving the EU wont make any difference to that.The waiting time on the NHS? "Health, housing, education, general infrastructure one small Country can only supply so much. You only have to walk around any town centre and see the amount of other nationalities. Unfortunately this is what the person on the street sees." The NHS that would be in an even worse state without immigrants from all over the world working there? The NHS that successive UK governments have underfunded, because they prefer to give tax breaks to individuals and companies that fund their parties, rather than invest in it? EU migrants contribute over 2 BILLION to the economy every year, they more than pay for their care, schooling and housing. If there's a housing crisis, then it's once again in the UK government's hands. These other nationalities are NEEDED. If the right wing press started telling the truth rather than scapegoating people, then the man in the street would not have a problem with it. As for our own government running the country, well I have already given two examples where they have failed miserably to do the job they are supposed to do, and there are dozens of others - each day from the Tory conference we are hearing more and more ridiculous policy suggestions. Unelected European nobody or unelected, old etonian Oxbridge civil servant running the country - what's the difference? They don't give a tinkers cuss for the man in the street either... I don't think you are racist to voice the concerns, but once the facts have been explained to you, as I have just done, and if you then continue to use the same arguments, it would certainly suggest you were at the very least, xenophobic.  ------------- Go away Duchatalet |
Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 13:58
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On a lighter note... http://newsthump.com/2016/09/26/lifestyle-promoted-by-nigel-farage-putting-strain-on-nhs-warn-immigrants/ ------------- Go away Duchatalet |
Posted By: DICEYUK
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 16:43
Actually a redundant 45 year old bank worker from Belfast wouldn't get a job picking fruit in Boston because he doesn't speak the language. The workforce in places like Boston, Spalding & Wisbech is totally controlled by illegal Foreign Gangmasters and they do not employ anybody that does not speak their language, whether that be Polish, Latvian, Lithuanian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Portuguese or Russian. If you are British and you only speak English then you have absolutely no chance of getting a job on the land. As I said earlier it's difficult for those who live abroad to actually gauge the strength of anti EU feeling in the UK and until you live in, or near, a relatively small Town that may now have upwards of 30,000 migrants living in it, then you cannot appreciate why the UK voted out. Yes you can look at the overall figures, make general assumptions and come up with a positive argument for immigration but there is absolutely no substitute for living with the consequences of mass immigration day in & day out. I live 20 miles from Great Yarmouth, another Town blighted by immigrants who are given free B&B in what were previously holiday guest houses. Most of them do not work. They are kicked out of their digs at 10am in the morning and all they ever do is hang around the Town in large groups all day long. I can assure you that it is no longer a pleasant place to visit. That's why over 75% of the Town's population voted for out. ------------- I hate how peopleï compare Frank Zappa to God. I mean, he's cool and great and nice and everything, but he's no Zappa. |
Posted By: Polo Marco
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 17:03
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According to the ONS for the period May to July 2016, the number of people of working age who were economically inactive ( not working and not seeking or available for work, and therefore not claiming benefits) was 8.83 million, and there were 1.63 million unemployed (people not in work but seeking and available to work). Of course you can't force people who are not claiming benefits to look for work, but when official figures say unemployment is 1.6 million it's way off the mark. Surely unemployment is unemployment, but what government is going to say the figure is around 10.5 million?
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Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 17:11
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Because it isn't. It's 1.6 million. Houswives, Students, independently wealthy, early retirees (and probably a few dodgy gangster types too) make up the number, among other categories I have not thought of off the top of my head. You can't factor in people who are not claiming benefit and don't need to work as available to flip your burger or clean the lavs at the motorway services, Mark. ------------- Go away Duchatalet |
Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 17:17
So you agree that it's not practical for our man from Belfast to come to Boston then, for whatever reason, that's good. Gangsters being involved is bad, for the poor exploited immigrants. Ever thought of having a word with the farmers who use that exploited labour? I am pretty sure they are not from Poland or Lithuania or Portugal, are they? Blaming immigrant workers for the situation is like blaming someone who has been mugged for being a victim. Again the UK government should be releasing the funding to give the police a chance to deal with it, that's not down to the EU. As someone who lived in London for many, many years I lived with the consequences of immigration day in day out David. And you know what? It was fine, we mostly all muddled along together. The speed of change in sleepy backwaters must be alarming for some, I can understand that, but they didn't give two-hoots in Yarmouth when Thatcher was destroying the coal mines, or banning the GLC, so they cannot expect everyone to sympathise with the situation there. I can find nothing about free B n B, or any proof that "Most of them do not work". It does smack of Schrodingers immigrant though. One minute it's bad that they are taking "our" jobs, the next they are all hanging around on the dole. And, of course 67% of the UK population didn't vote out, so the were either not bothered, or voted in. ------------- Go away Duchatalet |
Posted By: carolenclive
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 18:22
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Totally agree with everything you say Perry.I voted to remain and would do so again.We lived for 40 yrs in Oldham in area that was 85/90% immigrant and as you experienced it was fine.We brought up 4 children who had friends of all nationalities who were welcomed into our home and we into theirs.All our kids and grandkids old enough voted to stay in Europe.I fear what is going to happen with this government and Teresa May ,Who is Morphing into Margaret Thatcher the more I see of her.People should not believe anything she says she couldnt care less about the working class.She will destroy the NHS and Schools by Privatisation and bring back Grammar schools.We now live in the Rossendale Valley where I came from and it totally shocked me peoples attitude towards Immigrants.They are totally ignorant about them because they dont know any personally but the abuse I have heard is frightning. ------------- caz |
Posted By: Polo Marco
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 18:41
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Only the votes that are cast actually count. But if you want to include people who didn't vote then according to the Electoral Commission's figures then 62.5% didn't vote out and 65.3% didn't vote to remain. Whichever way you look at it the result was to leave. Now whether that will ever happen we shall have to wait and see.
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Posted By: tonisdad
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 18:41
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Sorry AA it is true, it is what people in the UK see not what they are told and it is very much relevant. The UN reported figure of 8000 Syrian refugees which we take under EU rulings are the ones they know about not only that we pay £2.3 billion in aid also: UK aid to SyriaThe UK Government continues to commit a significant amount of https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/factsheet-the-uks-humanitarian-aid-response-to-the-syria-crisis" rel="nofollow - international aid to assistance programmes in the regions neighbouring Syria, arguing that this is preferable to encouraging Syrian refugees to make dangerous journeys to Europe. The UK has committed over £2.3 billion to helping refugees in Syria and the region, making it the second largest bilateral donor to the Syrian refugee crisis. Commons Briefing papers SN06805. Regards the Calais camp if the French had there way it would be open now if it were not for the UK funding the bill for fencing to stop those housed there from trying to board vehicles on the motorway. No papers: https://www.google.pt/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiO48mykMTPAhUDbz4KHdFGAwAQFggdMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.co.uk%2Fnews%2F1314982%2Fcriminal-gang-exposed-for-providing-false-papers-that-allow-thousands-of-illegals-to-work-in-uk%2F&usg=AFQjCNEHD5XfVuYBiR84vzPgqp7Qoq4s-A&sig2=3k1d_RbGdSXLXh7vM95U1A&cad=rja" rel="nofollow - Investigation false papers that allow thousands of Eastern Europeanshttps://www.google.pt/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwiO48mykMTPAhUDbz4KHdFGAwAQFggjMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2F677619%2FEuro-court-tells-UK-illegal-migrants-from-outside-EU-cannot-be-detained&usg=AFQjCNGIXOzB9XWYOh6nmliVbAzZpV8B4Q&sig2=MvLTN8Bzja-_PMpFAAmxiA&cad=rja" rel="nofollow - Euro court tells UK illegal migrants from outside the EU CANNOT behttp://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/696338/ONE-MILLION-illegal-immigrants-NEVER-deported-from-Britain" rel="nofollow - More than ONE MILLION illegal immigrants 'may ... - Daily ExpressRegarding
unemployment figures in your day AA there was not over 3 million people
hid away on DLA and such like...some rightly so... as there is now with
bad backs depression etc...although they can still breed....These are
the people who should be made to get off their a***s and work. In Boston
13% of the population were born in other EU Countries. The local
unemployed should be doing these jobs not migrants who then claim
benefits on top plus housing schooling and health care. Basically any tax and NI they pay is paid with one hand and taken with the other. On that basis I find it hard to believe they generate over £2 billion to the economy when everything is taken into account. And to think this lot are about to blackmail their way in to the EU if they can: http://www.reuters.com/news/archive/worldNews" rel="nofollow - World News | Mon Oct 3, 2016 | 5:03am EDT Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan criticized the European Union on Monday, saying the bloc had failed to fulfill its pledge to provide 3 billion euros of aid for migrants as part of a landmark deal to stem refugee flows to Europe. In other words let us get our hands on the readies or the s**t hits the fan. Voted out and as it stands happy I did so. |
Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 19:03
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The figure for Syrian refugees is correct. If there are others, they are illegal immigrants, not refugees. Aid is another matter altogether, I don't recall even mentioning it, why do you bring it up? But again, as you quote, it's a decision by the British government, not the EU. Why do people insist on going off on tangents about non-EU nationals and UK government decisions when discussing the EU? It is odd. The French police the camp, the two countries work together. As previously stated, there is no reason to believe this will continue after Brexit. I did make a point of saying credible evidence Paul, the rantings of the Sun and Express certainly come nowhere near that, ever. I hope that none of your loved ones ever have the misfortune to be incapacitated. I'll leave that there. The 2 billion is a net gain, I can't help what you choose to believe, I just give you the facts. Others can judge your reasons for that. The bit about the Turkish president is again rather bizarre and the conclusion you draw from it totally off the scale. ------------- Go away Duchatalet |
Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 19:07
Of course you are right, Mark I wrote that in response to this sentence: "Generally speaking the majority of people in the UK who I speak to couldn't care less about the negatives of leaving, least of all the exchange rate, as they would rather be free of further EU intervention in our way of life." David's friends are not representative of the majority of British people. ------------- Go away Duchatalet |
Posted By: tonisdad
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 20:23
Perry nobody is saying there are not people on DLA etc who have the right to be...just there is a lot who should not be.....without the younger generation who my point was aimed at look at all the British blue badges in cars over here this time of year. Are they all unable to walk 50 metres or whatever it is to qualify? I don`t think so. Regards Turkey they are using the pressure of taking control of their borders as a bargaining/blackmail tool to gain EU entry...hence already shouting for 3 billion. What will they shout for if they do get EU entry they will want billions every month. Oh and another 75 million free to roam Europe at their will and no doubt our cost if we had chosen to remain. I`ve said my bit I`m off for a drink with my foreign mates up the road  . |
Posted By: tonisdad
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 20:30
There is one thing for certain she will be better being like Maggie than being like Tony Blair and his money grabbing bleed the Country wife. And what`s wrong with Grammar Schools? I passed the 11+ and it never cost my parents more to send me there than it would have the Secondary School. Grammar Schools give the working class a chance of a better education. |
Posted By: DICEYUK
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 21:51
But they are representative of the majority of British people who bothered to vote and that's the only thing that counts in a referendum. I don't understand why people are having such difficulty in grasping this simple fact. ------------- I hate how peopleï compare Frank Zappa to God. I mean, he's cool and great and nice and everything, but he's no Zappa. |
Posted By: carolenclive
Date Posted: 05/October/2016 at 22:37
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Tonisdad Are you real . I think she is more evil than Margaret Thatcher ever was and she was evil.Couldnt stand Tony Blair and his New Labour but his government did some good it was the Iraq War that did it for me.Went on the March and tore my Labour Party card up.,only to rejoin after a few years.As regards Grammar schools I also passed the 11plus and being only 11 at the time it wasnt my choice to go but my parents.Grammar schools are divisive telling children who pass you are clever and the rest failures.Its a nonsense. ------------- caz |
Posted By: tonisdad
Date Posted: 06/October/2016 at 10:43
Am I real LOL at that one. So you don`t believe little Johnny & Jenny Snottynose from 1 Dead End Street who are bright should not have a better education because a few of their less bright mates might feel undervalued...I think that`s the word the do gooder brigade use. Then people moan that the working class do not have a chance at the big jobs because of lack of education Oh no we will tell all the kids they are all as bright as each other, we won`t have an egg and spoon race somebody will come last. That is why most GCSE`s are not worth the paper they are written on they are harder to fail than pass. Example Daughter fractured 3 vertebrae in her back at 12 years old coupled with the fact she is a lazy so and so and did not do PE for four years. Guess what she got a C pass in the subject. Didn`t want her to feel she was not as clever as the rest. |
Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 06/October/2016 at 10:50
And they are not representative of the majority of British people - a third don't care. It's not rocket science David... ------------- Go away Duchatalet |
Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 06/October/2016 at 11:03
This quote "Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan criticized the European Union on Monday, saying the bloc had failed to fulfill its pledge to provide 3 billion euros of aid for migrants as part of a landmark deal to stem refugee flows to Europe." mentions nothing at all to suggest the conclusion you have drawn, Paul. There may be more that you have not posted, but from that quote, in isolation, it suggests no more than what it says. From him merely saying the EU has failed to fulfil a promise, you suddenly have Diss full of Turks ? What the hey?In order for Turkey to get into the EU EVERY country has to say yes, every country has a veto. It was yet another red herring from the anti-Europe camp. Anyone with the vaguest notion of the history of that part of the world will be well aware that there is more chance of Charlton winning the league than either Greece or Cyprus giving them the nod... Even if they did, at least we might get some decent footballers out of it, like Germany have.  Oh, apropos of nothing, and here's a little gem from the archives of hypocrisy at it's very best: https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/boris-johnson-turkey?utm_term=.dmpg4Ww8e4#.nu80GDolMG ------------- Go away Duchatalet |
Posted By: carolenclive
Date Posted: 06/October/2016 at 14:01
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Posted By: carolenclive
Date Posted: 06/October/2016 at 14:21
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How is going to a Grammer school a better education,Its a selective education for the few and paid for by the many.How do you know at the age of 11yrs that one child is brighter than another they all develop at different stages in their life.It isnt a race every child should be valued they are all gifted in one way or another.but they should all be treated equally. Money should be pumped into the schools we have already got,god knows their budgets have been cut dramatically over the past years and not put into creating an elite system that doesnt work. ------------- caz |
Posted By: tonisdad
Date Posted: 06/October/2016 at 17:48
If you went to Grammer School you would have known it is a deeper education. Hence why my mates were playing football and I was doing homework. You would also know there was not only the 11+ there was the 12+ for later developers who might have slipped the net so to speak. By saying the system does not work is that through experiece you talk? Never mind we`ll keep the red flag flying high and keep the working class where they belong brothers. |
Posted By: carolenclive
Date Posted: 06/October/2016 at 18:56
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Posted By: carolenclive
Date Posted: 06/October/2016 at 20:12
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Posted By: DICEYUK
Date Posted: 06/October/2016 at 21:20
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I only went to a Secondary Modern School but I do know how to use the "quote" option ------------- I hate how peopleï compare Frank Zappa to God. I mean, he's cool and great and nice and everything, but he's no Zappa. |
Posted By: sidsmum
Date Posted: 06/October/2016 at 21:34
Does anyone mind if I comment on the original topic....2016 Budget IMI massive increase for somefound this on another forum and thought it was quite interesting....... "The charging of a higher rate of IMI for vacant properties has actually been around for some time already. So has the supplying of data from the utilities companies to the authorities, although what's changed there is that Câmaras Municipais will now get the information automatically where previously they had to request it. Just to give a bit of background, the intent of these laws is twofold - partly to assist the authorities to flush out clandestine rentals (which have been commonplace in the past and which are a form of tax evasion) and secondly to identify derelict and / or unused properties and get them back into circulation with the particular aim of stimulating the property rentals market. There are also various initiatives at local level which combine with these laws to try to revitalise some of the historic town centres etc. Finanças have been able to use the data in order to determine if the names on the utilities contracts don't match the property ownership record which would be one way of identifying a clandestine arrangement. Or when the property is identified to Finanças as for rent and without an active contract but with a suspicious level of energy consumption. Whatever progress has been made on that front, it has largely left the empty properties side of things unaddressed and the introduction of the supplying of this data to the local authorities is to help with that. Up until now, property owners have been able to get around things by simply maintaining utilities contracts even if the property is unused. Now the zero or very low consumption data will also be used to determine whether a property is in use or not." Does anyone have an opinion on this, rather than Brexit?!!!!! |
Posted By: carolenclive
Date Posted: 06/October/2016 at 22:06
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Posted By: DICEYUK
Date Posted: 06/October/2016 at 22:08
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There are several "empty" apartments in our block. The apartment next door to us is owned by a Portuguese couple who live in Lisbon. They come here on holiday for 2 weeks every year in August and that's it. It's never been legally or illegally rented out, it's never been used by anyone else and he's owned it since 2002. Therefore his water & electric usage must be very low. There is more than one apartment here just like that, mostly owned by Portuguese but some by Foreigners too. Presumably they are prime targets of this clampdown. So what are people like that supposed to do? ------------- I hate how peopleï compare Frank Zappa to God. I mean, he's cool and great and nice and everything, but he's no Zappa. |
Posted By: Jayjan
Date Posted: 06/October/2016 at 22:52
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Just makes you wonder what they are going to deem as low consumption, surely they will have to put a figure on it. Reason we sold up last year was due to us not being able to use it as we would have liked due to personal family circumstances & still paying bills, running the pool and paying for the maintenance of it when property empty. ------------- Polli the dancing cat strikes again. |
Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 07/October/2016 at 11:09
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This may of course mean inspecrtors coming around and banging on doors to see if anyone's home. Likewise there is an empty apartment in my small block that hasn't been occupied, legally or otherwise, for most of the last ten years. The owner pays his condo fees without fail but utilities consumption must be zero. So would the local council be able to say to him, use this property or we take it away?? ------------- Albufeira Resident www.algarvebus.info public transport information for the Algarve |
Posted By: Kaz1
Date Posted: 07/October/2016 at 14:27
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Has anyone received their IMI bills in the post yet? thanks ------------- Albufeira Lover!!! |
Posted By: sidsmum
Date Posted: 07/October/2016 at 20:56
I assume the local council would increase his IMI by an obscene amount!
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Posted By: Jayjan
Date Posted: 07/October/2016 at 23:44
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Same in UK though an empty property is discounted for 6 months but after that an empty property the council adds stupid amounts to the council tax bill after that, so same principle. Not sure if they spy on utilities though like PortugaL. Although saying that, wonder if the ratio is same for holiday properties in UK as it is in Portugal or even any other country. ------------- Polli the dancing cat strikes again. |
Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 08/October/2016 at 08:34
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Do holiday properties in the UK count as empty? ------------- Go away Duchatalet |
Posted By: sidsmum
Date Posted: 08/October/2016 at 12:28
No, because a holiday home would be furnished. Councils in England (not sure about the rest of the UK) are interested in whether a property is furnished or unfurnished. But different councils have different exemptions, for example a second home in the borough of Windsor & Maidenhead... There is no reduction for properties that are unoccupied and furnished. Properties that are unoccupied and unfurnished will receive a 100% exemption for a maximum period of one month. Properties that are unoccupied and unfurnished for two years or more will be charged an additional 50% on top of the full council tax. however, a property in North Devon... Empty, unfurnished properties get a discount for up to three months, then you have to pay the full amount. Properties which remain empty and unfurnished for two years will be charged an additional 50 percent empty property premium. So a Holiday Home would pay the normal council tax rate. |
Posted By: DICEYUK
Date Posted: 08/October/2016 at 12:38
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In Norfolk, where most of the holiday lets are either caravans, chalets or log cabins there are restrictions to prevent people living in them permanently. They have to be empty (i.e. no people) for one month a year, normally January. Second homes & holiday homes, whether used or empty, qualify for a council tax discount. This varies between different Councils. In Norfolk the discount is 50%. ------------- I hate how peopleï compare Frank Zappa to God. I mean, he's cool and great and nice and everything, but he's no Zappa. |