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Topic: Rental licence
Posted By: Norm55
Subject: Rental licence
Date Posted: 30/November/2014 at 08:55
Hi. New here and looks to be a useful forum. I have a one bed apartment which i rent out during holiday season.   I wish to be legal and understand i require a letting licence.   I have the form but am reluctant to sign it without fully understanding it .
Does anyone know if i can have it translated?   Tried the usual Google translate but as it is in PDF this comes back rather disjointed
Anyone had experiences of obtaining one of these?
All help apreciated.



Replies:
Posted By: Richardk
Date Posted: 30/November/2014 at 10:01
Hi
We got our rental licence about 3/4 years ago but we used an agent to complete it. I have never read it but all you have to do is ensure your property is clean & safe with running water. They will inspect to ensure you have fire blankets, extinguisher's ,and electrically and gas safe appliances. You will need a complaints book as well.You will then need to declare your income to the tax man and you may need an accountant to do this.
It probably sounds worse than it is as once completed its only a case of staying on top of normal maintenance
Good luck
Richard


Posted By: Ruth
Date Posted: 05/December/2014 at 20:27
Norm55 There are 2 processes to follow now.  First you have to decide if you will handle all the rentals yourself.  If this is the case, you need to open an activity with finanças (but make sure you inform them that you will be doing short term holiday rentals as your activity has to have a certain code to authorise this).  You have to be able to supply official receipts to any paying guests.  You would be better getting your accountant to help you with this.  Once you have your activity opened, you can then register for an Alojamento Local.  The documentation required is now less than it previously was before the law changed on the 27 November.  Also the other good news is that there is no charge to register – previously Albufeira camera charged 75 Euros.  You will then need to get a Complaints Book for your property.  If you have a property management company handling your rentals it is much simpler as you do not need to open an activity or worry about anything as the property management company can and should do the registration and deal with all the paperwork.  There is some useful info on a blog here: http://hometeamportugal.com/blog/

 



Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 06/December/2014 at 11:29
Thank you for detailed reply Ruth. I do not have an agent i handle all my own bookings. What is an activity at financas?
It appears from the blog that it can be done in person .   I am in Albufeira, can the office there do it and has anyone done this in person?    
I have all the relavant documents but am not due over until next Feb.    I guess i will have to get this done by an agent/ management company.    


Posted By: peteknopp
Date Posted: 06/December/2014 at 11:46
An 'activity' puts you on the tax radar. ie for my restaurant I fill in forms and declare I am in business. They will then expect to see tax returns, iva paid, income tax forms done etc. The town council has the forms which you fill in, in triplicate and then they keep one, you keep one and you register post the third to DGAE in Lisbon. Quite a simple process. Sure forms are available online at alb camara web site. Just need forms and ID

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Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 12/December/2014 at 04:56
Thanks Peter.


Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 23/March/2015 at 19:16
Update!     I now have my AL but have to register my guests with SEF
Easy enough but i am required to submit details such as DOB     In fact all the details that are on your passport photo page.   I am of the opinion that some guests may feel this too intrusive.
Plus when a vast majority of apartments do not have a licence and are taking bookings without having to request such details i am not competing on a level playing field.
Any body experienced this yet?


Posted By: bob d
Date Posted: 23/March/2015 at 22:40
Ok, here we go. Norm, you are doing it properly and within the law. I am doing the same and I just remind clients that it is now the same for apartments as it has been for hotels for years regards showing passports. If anyone queries the fact you need so many details just explain its the law now and anyone without the proper license and so not taking details is breaking it. Apparantly the powers that be are going to clamp down hard on rentals without the proper license. It should be very easy to catch people as all they have to do is look on rental sites. BTW Norm, I believe you are now supposed to put your new AL number on any advertising you do, I havnt got my new number from the camera yet as there is obviously a big back log to sort out.

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Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 23/March/2015 at 22:51
Great post Bob thanks.    You are right but will the powers that be have the balls to actually follow up their threats and clamp down on unregisterd properties.
I do put my licence number on my adverts but am in a v small minority.   
I got my AL number before they did the inspection!


Posted By: bob d
Date Posted: 24/March/2015 at 15:38
"Will they follow up their threats".......I would say probably not but you never know and they are always looking at ways to bring in extra monies. I'm sure they will have a few inspectors, not the 100s that they have stated in the past but if you are caught, the fine will be huge. Also, if in a worst case scenario, someone staying in your 'illegal' apartment has an accident and you have no license, I dread to think what it would cost. Would your insurance company pay up? Would you be charged with a criminal offence? Like you Norm, I feel much better being safe than sorry AND, I pay my taxes. Regards....Honest Bob.

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Posted By: wendyhsmith
Date Posted: 13/April/2015 at 21:15
Has anyone had one of those emails from Owners Direct...  All sounds a bit iffy to me?

We wanted to make sure you were aware of a new law, Decree-Law Nr. 128/2014, which requires that all Portuguese holiday homes be registered through the Balcão Único Eletrónico directed to the President of the competent Municipal Council.

Registering your property will help reassure travellers and give your listing more credibility, which will in turn lead to better performance. It’s easy to do and is completely free. 

We recommend you take a few minutes and register your property in order to comply with this new law. Click the link below to download the form. Once you’ve submitted the completed form, you will receive a registration number that must be displayed on your HomeAway listing.

In order to be registered, your property must meet the following conditions:

Maximum capacity:
9 bedrooms and 30 guests
9 local accommodation by building

General requirements:
http://app.mailaway.homeaway.com/e/er?s=225508597&lid=82143&elq=c73ef0bfeadc4afab8af62152e5a69c4&elqaid=6985&elqat=1&elqTrackId=527de28328ab4e2b99ddee2b6e5ba6c3" rel="nofollow - Article 12 of Decree-Law 128/2014

Safety:
Properties must comply with safety and fire regulations, pursuant to  http://app.mailaway.homeaway.com/e/er?s=225508597&lid=82143&elq=c73ef0bfeadc4afab8af62152e5a69c4&elqaid=6985&elqat=1&elqTrackId=527de28328ab4e2b99ddee2b6e5ba6c3" rel="nofollow - Decree-Law Nr. 220/2008 of 12 November , and to the  http://app.mailaway.homeaway.com/e/er?s=225508597&lid=82144&elq=c73ef0bfeadc4afab8af62152e5a69c4&elqaid=6985&elqat=1&elqTrackId=7e530d3a58b04aa89e3c0c49ec2cdba6" rel="nofollow - constant technical regulation of Ordinance No. 1532/2008

Prior communication:
Submitting the registration form is mandatory and a necessary condition for the operation of a local accommodation.
The registration form must be submitted through the “Balcão Único Eletrónico,” which assigns each property its own registration number and automatically sends it to the Turismo de Portugal I. P.

Identification and publicity:
Advertisements for local accommodation must include the name or logo and registration number.

Identifying plate:
An identifying plate must be displayed on the outside of the property next to the main entrance.
The model and characteristics of the identifying card are set out in the appendix to  http://app.mailaway.homeaway.com/e/er?s=225508597&lid=82143&elq=c73ef0bfeadc4afab8af62152e5a69c4&elqaid=6985&elqat=1&elqTrackId=527de28328ab4e2b99ddee2b6e5ba6c3" rel="nofollow - Decree-Law Nr. 220/2008.

Complaints book:
Starting 15 September, local accommodation establishments must have a complaints book as laid out in Decree-Law Nr. 156/2005.


Posted By: peteknopp
Date Posted: 13/April/2015 at 21:43
Only answering above post as not read the rest of the topic.......
Looks about right to me. They recently relaxed the laws over registering rental properties and asking for registration at Financas and safety things and complaint book and a sign outside sounds reasonable and easy enough to do if you haven't already got a license. 


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Posted By: bob d
Date Posted: 13/April/2015 at 22:28
Yes. Its right. They are letting you know cos you have to put your license number on all advertising as part of the new laws.


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Posted By: peteknopp
Date Posted: 14/April/2015 at 12:42

New association for property owners

IN  http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/money" rel="nofollow - MONEY  Â· 09-04-2015 14:53:00 ·  http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/new-association-for-property-owners/34461#comments" rel="nofollow - 0 COMMENTS

NALLE, the National Association of Local Lodging Establishments, is a new Portuguese association, representing and serving property owners, agents and property managers who are engaged in local lodging in Portugal.

If you let out furnished accommodation directly to holidaymakers on a short-term basis you are engaged in tourist-related services and are required by law to register your Local Lodging activity. While this type of activity has more checks and balances than conventional renting, it also receives special tax treatment under the simplified regime. You are only taxable on 15% of your gross invoiced income, with the other 85% being automatically excluded to cover business overheads. Normally, final tax rates fall below 4%.
Like any business, there are always obligations and overheads to get the ball rolling. Your success will depend not just on how many weeks per year you are able to rent to tourists but also on a correct and legal set-up, from the license to the fire extinguisher.
The mission of the National Association of Local Lodging Establishments is to provide information and support to its members, and enhance security and compliance in local lodging operations.We provide our members with accurate, up-to-date information and keep them current with ever-changing legislation. NALLE also aims to be an integrative, representative voice to work with policymakers, government officials and tourist interest groups to defend the industry and find solutions that respond to all concerns.

For more information, please contact Nalle - National Association of Local Lodging Establishments: Rua António Maria Cardoso, 15 1200-273 Lisboa.Tel. +351 96 2851551,email: ursula.hahn@nalle.pt



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Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 27/April/2015 at 12:46
That looks a useful site. Anyone joined?    
Am still struggling with SEF visitor login.    Anyone used this?   Any help woukd be apreciated.    


Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 28/April/2015 at 11:28
This page contains links to the various presentations made at a big seminar in Tavira last week and will prove useful to those of you grappling with the new requirements.

http://www.safecommunitiesalgarve.com/crime-prevention-advice/property/" rel="nofollow - http://www.safecommunitiesalgarve.com/crime-prevention-advice/property/

They are at the bottom of the list.


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Posted By: Super Bock
Date Posted: 28/April/2015 at 20:31
Hi do you need this licence even for long term rentals ie 6 months?


Posted By: peteknopp
Date Posted: 28/April/2015 at 20:45
I would imagine so as the bottom line is collection of tax on money earnt.

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Posted By: peteknopp
Date Posted: 28/April/2015 at 20:54
http://algarve.angloinfo.com/information/lifestyle/local-tourism/rules-on-renting-out-holiday-accommodation/

might help + another link at bottom of article


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Posted By: bob d
Date Posted: 28/April/2015 at 22:23
Super Bock - yes you do.

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Posted By: Super Bock
Date Posted: 29/April/2015 at 06:56
Thanks we were thinking of renting our apartment out over the winter as we don't come out as often now due to flight availability


Posted By: jkapatel
Date Posted: 30/April/2015 at 09:44
I have a rental licence that was issued in May 2009. Is it still valid under the new rules or do I need to get a new one issued.
Thanks for your help.


Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 30/April/2015 at 11:12
Originally posted by jkapatel jkapatel wrote:

I have a rental licence that was issued in May 2009. Is it still valid under the new rules or do I need to get a new one issued.
Thanks for your help.


Probably not valid since you won't be registered in the new system. To be sure, contact the official body mentioned in the previous posts.

http://algarve.angloinfo.com/information/lifestyle/local-tourism/rules-on-renting-out-holiday-accommodation/


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Posted By: jkapatel
Date Posted: 01/May/2015 at 09:48
Thanks. Will check it out.


Posted By: wendyhsmith
Date Posted: 14/June/2015 at 10:19
What penalties are involved for non compliance with this regulation? Any person who encourages or facilitates non-compliance in any way is subject to punishment with imprisonment from 1 to 4 years. 

If any crimes are committed by those foreign citizens causing inhumane and degrading conditions, endangering life, causing serious harm to body or death, the establishment owner shall be punished with imprisonment of 2-8 years.  Financial penalties: For failure to register foreign nationals within 3 days through SIBA or through local authorities (where SIBA is not available - restrictions apply), a minimum fine of €100.00 to €2,000,00 may be incurred depending on the number of offenses committed. Fines may be increased under the conditions of Fundamental Law on Offences (Decree-Law No. 433/82 of 27 October). Any further criminal or administrative offences may incur additional penalties (including forfeiture of assets and other limitations).


Imprisonment for 1-4 years? Crikey. Surely not....
Minimum fine of €100,000. You what?


Posted By: alan&alice
Date Posted: 27/July/2015 at 05:18
Hi folks,any ideas on what happens if you have no rental income in portugal but are registered?
any income that will possibly be recieved by us will be in the uk(in theory declared to uk ir) ;-).
thanks


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http://www.holidaylettings.co.uk/rentals/albufeira/481652


Posted By: Richardk
Date Posted: 27/July/2015 at 08:17
Hi Alan & Alice
You need to pay tax in Portugal first then pay any extra that may be due in UK.
This is because the asset is in Portugal but at least you offset Portuguese tax against your UK tax.
I would take full advice as the costs of getting it wrong are increasing


Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 27/July/2015 at 08:32
Bit confused by last two posts.   I have rental properties in UK and complete on line tax return here. For my Portugal property i have an accountant as noted above.

Portuguese income appears in my UK account but HMRC would not be in interested as i can account for it as a tax payer in Portugal
If you have no income in Portugal why pay tax over thare?
Apologies iff got it wrong

Also one thing i have not got my head round yet is NI contributions    I am not in receipt of UK pension but nor do i now pay NI contributions ( i am 60 this year, have paid enough). Been told have to either start paying them or pay in Portugal


Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 27/July/2015 at 12:07
Who told you that Norm?


Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 27/July/2015 at 12:24
Which bit did you refer to AD?   
My accountant in Portimao told me about NI stuff     As regards taxable income as eu countries we have a reciprocal agreement with Portugal



Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 27/July/2015 at 13:22
The bit about NI, Norm. I don't get how you can pay NI over here if you are not working? Like you we finished paying our UK NI contributions a while back. We paid NI (a lot of NI!) in Portugal until we closed our business, now we live on income from UK rentals which, as residents, we declare and pay tax on over here.


Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 27/July/2015 at 13:47
I was told when i gained my AL that i needed form A1 ( an eu wide form) showing i was either:
In receipt of uk pension, (not sure if drawing some of my private pension counts)
Paying NI contributions in Uk

Note, i am. UK resident and not classed as retired.    


Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 27/July/2015 at 13:50
Ah - yes that's different from us then Norm. We are Portugal residents, and we are "in the system" from when we had our business.


Posted By: Big Col
Date Posted: 27/July/2015 at 17:29
I've read this thread in the past paying little attention but imagine my surprise today when I've been asked for photocopies of the passports for all guests staying in an Albufeira apartment I've booked for September.

I haven't been asked for this for an apartment we have booked in Praia da Luz next month nor did I have to supply this when we were in Albufeira last month.

Am I to assume that this request is legit and that I just happen to have hit on a super efficient owner or are all of you who rent out property doing this now?

Thanks,
Colin.

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Colin


Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 27/July/2015 at 17:47
Big col. Please read my post on first page of this thread ( about half way down).   Yes your host is doing the correct thing by asking for these details but i prefer to ask my guests for their details via a form i send them.   Sending the passport page scanned, I feel is a bit invasive.
Details required are:
DOB
Where passport issued
Country of residence
Country of birth
The apartment owner has an AL ( licence) and this is a requirement to submit this info within 3 days of your arrival.


Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 27/July/2015 at 17:49
I forgot, only the lead persons details are required not the entire party


Posted By: Richardk
Date Posted: 27/July/2015 at 19:33
Hi Norm

You need to advise SEF of ALL guests not just lead party


Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 27/July/2015 at 19:41
There is no space on form for two DOB etc.    or is it a form for each person?    I have been told to just log in details of leader of party


Posted By: bob d
Date Posted: 30/July/2015 at 18:57
Big Col, the person asking for your passport details is quite right and obviously legit whereas the apartment owner you previously stayed with is not. They must not have the proper AL license as you have to ask for lead name passport details similar to the way hotels ask for it when checking in. All our clients have supplied us with their passport details this year.

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Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 30/July/2015 at 22:57
Bob,   Can you clarify this business of logging in all visitors or just the lead person? I am getting conflicting views.

Also originally i was told i have to log in details again when they leave.    Then accountant tells me no, just when they arrive.
It appears this is a case of work in progress, this has been rolled out without definative directions.




Posted By: Algarveaddick
Date Posted: 30/July/2015 at 23:19
Welcome to Portugal Norm...


Posted By: bob d
Date Posted: 31/July/2015 at 09:14
Welcome to Portugal indeed.
Ok. This is the information I supply my accountants regards clients. Name and address of lead name. Passport details of lead name. Length of stay. Arrival date and departure date. Total amount paid.
They then send me proper receipts for each booking.
At year end I give them receipts from cleaners, condo fees, insurance, electric bills, water bills.
I also have to fill in a E101 or A1 form from the UK at the end of the year to prove I am paying NI in UK. Or prove you are a pensioner.
The said accountant then fills in my tax return and I pay them and the tax. No VAT to pay if you earn under 10.000.
This sounds mighty complicated but as I've stated before don't get rid of your fiscal/accountant if they are any good. They are worth their weight in gold if you want to stay on the right side of the authorities, presuming you rent out. A good one will be up to speed on latest rules (and they change frequently) whereas a poor one will not.
Indeed, welcome to Portugal.


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Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 31/July/2015 at 09:35
Thanks Bob
As regards expenses, receipts etc i was told that as am under 10,000€ income ( gross) it is assumed 80% overheads and 20% profit of which is taxable at 25%.    

It appears your accountant is booking them into the SEF site, however i do this bit myself.   Hence the confusion, however we do seem to agree, it is just the lead persons details.   
As i said above, still not cleared up the A1 form bit concerning NI.   I have aform here now to complete which will enable me to gain the A1.    Looks like i will have to,start paying NI here in UK.   Not sure if drawing down some of my private pension will suffice.


Posted By: bob d
Date Posted: 31/July/2015 at 09:44
Haven't had to get the form yet. Been told to get it near end of year. Electric and water bills only for the periods of rental, don't know proportion for insurance or condo fees. I just sent annual bills last year and they worked it out.

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Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 31/July/2015 at 09:56
If you've not started drawing down on your private pension be sure to take some advice before you do, once started there's no going back and you only get one shot at the initial allowance, ie. don't leave anything on the table.

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Andrew


Posted By: Big Col
Date Posted: 31/July/2015 at 10:08
Originally posted by bob d bob d wrote:

Big Col, the person asking for your passport details is quite right and obviously legit whereas the apartment owner you previously stayed with is not. They must not have the proper AL license as you have to ask for lead name passport details similar to the way hotels ask for it when checking in. All our clients have supplied us with their passport details this year.


Thanks for the replies guys. I have no problem in providing the copies of our passports and understand that private rentals are coming into a similar process to hotels.

In the past I have completed a form or answered questions from the owner concerning identity, etc but not passport number or where it was issued.

Although I haven't been asked for this for our visit next month to Praia da Luz, I will be paying the rental balance when there and perhaps that's when they may require passport copies. We will see.

Regards,

Colin.

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Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 31/July/2015 at 10:35
Andrew.   Thanks for advice.     Was told if only take a token amount, say £200 per year this would suffice.    But, so many conflicting views it makes me wonder why i bothered registering the property.     Dont get me wrong, am happy to comply but when the authorities arent clear on the strategy......


Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 31/July/2015 at 11:08
Norm, check with your, or an, IFA.
I wasn't paying too much attention but heard something along the lines of someone over the 55 years of age access trigger, realising they had a very small pension from years ago that they'd forgot so just cashed it in as it was simplest and it was a very small amount. Then, when they came for their first serious draw down from the pot he'd spent years building, he'd tripped himself up and lost a stack of allowance 'cos he'd cashed that previous, years old, tiny one!
That was the jist of it, I'm sure amongst us there will be experts who can maybe tidy that up or fill it out. Bottom line, don't do anything without first taking qualified advice, imho.


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Andrew


Posted By: wendyhsmith
Date Posted: 26/April/2016 at 18:51
Anyone been cold called by Eurofinesco regarding a rental licence recently?
Just wondering.


Posted By: stuart123
Date Posted: 26/April/2016 at 19:17
Not personally, although I did speak to them a few months ago about it - they are very expensive!


Posted By: wendyhsmith
Date Posted: 28/July/2016 at 19:06
Finally got my AL number ... its only taken a year.
These are my obligations:

Attached the AL number, the one that you need to use for publicity, the doc that we paid in Albufeira Câmara and our invoice for the work. The inspection to the house when they tell us we will let you know.

 

Now we need that you sent to us every time that you receive a deposit the name of the client, the nationality, the period that he will stay and the value of the rental, we need to inform the finanças every month.

 

You need to do the inscription of SEF site (this is not our work this is your personal obligation) and do the Accommodation Form, if you check in SEF site you have all the information.

 

No mention of passport numbers etc.


What's the easiest way to do the SEF bit?  Anyone know?  All bookings are now done for this year so no rush now till next year I guess.  


Any advice?  Thanks.



Posted By: Big Col
Date Posted: 29/July/2016 at 09:04
Just an update on our situation. We have only once had to provide copies of our passports in more than 15 years.

We were in an Albufeira apartment in June and are out again in 4 weeks time where we will be staying in two different apartments, and in all of these cases we have just been asked for the name of the lead guest, home address & phone number (plus flight details).

Nowhere can I see a licence number displayed nor have DoB or passport information been requested.

Our accommodation is usually selected from the Owners Direct, HomeAway or Holiday Lettings websites.

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Posted By: bob d
Date Posted: 29/July/2016 at 12:11
If no license is displayed its probably cos they don't have one. If that's the case they have no need to ask for passport information. Big risk for owners not to have AL license, but hey, it's up to them.

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Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 29/July/2016 at 19:35
If they don't have a license, you have a problem eg theft or accidental damage, you may find your travel insurance invalid.

It's now required to at least ask for the details of the lead guest wherever you stay, that's for the SEF, but whatever you do never let your actual passport out of your sight. Having a few photocopies of the relevant page will do for various purposes, not the least that tourists are not exempt from the legal requirement to have photo ID with them at all times.


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Posted By: tonisdad
Date Posted: 29/July/2016 at 22:20
At he place we have been renting most of the year for last two years the landlord has told us there will be a 200 euro rise per month this year as they have to pay 28% tax.
They have never seen my passport or any documentation I have never had a rental agreement and everything has been paid cash.
In other words they want it all ends up.
I was wondering how to tell them nicely that we have now found an apartment all year round so won`t be renting come September.......at least it`s solved that problem.


Posted By: stuart123
Date Posted: 30/July/2016 at 07:32
As somebody who has recently gone through the AL process (took about 8 weeks) 

You don't physically need the old sign on the property with the "AL" number on it - indeed most of these are probably not valid anymore as everyone has to apply for a new number!

Although all adverts for a rental property must legally show the AL number to be compliant!



As part of the SEF/SIBA immigration rules, you need to collect the name + passport details of each guest (that is not Portuguese or not related to the property owner!) and submit to the SIBA website.  You can register your property here

http://siba.sef.pt/DadosIdentificacao.aspx

They will then email you a username and password for the site.




tonisdad - sounds like the apartment owner may have gone over the 10k euro limit before paying VAT - once crossed, everything has VAT added :-( 


Posted By: stuart123
Date Posted: 30/July/2016 at 07:39
Originally posted by wendyhsmith wendyhsmith wrote:


Now we need that you sent to us every time that you receive a deposit the name of the client, the nationality, the period that he will stay and the value of the rental, we need to inform the finanças every month.

 

You need to do the inscription of SEF site (this is not our work this is your personal obligation) and do the Accommodation Form, if you check in SEF site you have all the information.

 


I've just posted a link to the SEF site above - its easy to register.  As each guest arrives you have to register it on the SEF site - this will ask you for lots of details, including:


Full name

Birth date

Birth place

Nationality

Home Address & Home Country

Document type

Document number

Country Issuing Document



As regards the tax submissions - to comply with the "low usage" tax rules on renting, you need to let your accountant know when you take a booking (within 5 days) and then they have to log it against your tax account (within 5 days) - if you don't you may be liable to a larger tax rate as you drop out of the small scheme.


Likewise if you go over 10k euro rental in the year, then you have to start charging and collecting VAT/IVA.





Posted By: wendyhsmith
Date Posted: 02/August/2016 at 18:37
So, I have just got my A/L number recently.
I have worked out the SEF bit.
So what do I do about the guests already booked for this year for whom I have not asked details from?


Posted By: stuart123
Date Posted: 02/August/2016 at 19:38
Send them an email?


My apartment management agent currently collects a paper form and sends that to me (scanned copy) when the guests arrive.  


Posted By: wendyhsmith
Date Posted: 02/August/2016 at 19:46
Its taken the tax company more than a year to get this far Stuart123.
I am losing the will to live with this.


Posted By: stuart123
Date Posted: 02/August/2016 at 20:57
Try a new tax company!

My AL took about 8 weeks - and that was only because the inspector from Albufeira council didn't turn up on the 1st appointment !




Posted By: wendyhsmith
Date Posted: 02/August/2016 at 21:03
Well its done now.  Too late to try a new one!

Hopefully the inspector will give me notice.
Maybe it will take him a year as well.

What did the inspector want?
Just to give me the heads up so I will have it for his arrival!


Posted By: bob d
Date Posted: 02/August/2016 at 23:21
Stuart is correct. Just email your clients and ask for passport details. Tell them it's the law, same as you would when booking into a hotel. Also, your tax company doesn't sound too good.

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Posted By: wendyhsmith
Date Posted: 04/August/2016 at 21:07
Is anyone able to tell me what the requirements are for/after the inspection so I can get things into place?
Thanks.


Posted By: stuart123
Date Posted: 04/August/2016 at 23:08
Wendyhsmith - have you fitted all the requirements for the AL ?

Signs, fire extinguishers etc.


Posted By: wendyhsmith
Date Posted: 06/August/2016 at 07:25
I did a whole heap of paperwork and got the AL and have the SEF info.
Was informed I would be notified of the inspection date as and when.
I assumed I would find out what I needed when they come to inspect.
However, just seen cubsur's link to Safer Communities website and I imagine all the info is on there.
Amanha Stuart amanha.


Posted By: Jayjan
Date Posted: 06/August/2016 at 19:38
Wendy have a look at this lawyers website with requirements needed on inspection..
http://dj-law.com/14.html


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Posted By: stuart123
Date Posted: 07/August/2016 at 20:22
Wendy, please give a lady called Anne Stubbings a phone.

She helped me through the process and her knowledge is brilliant on the AL topic!

She also took me to the safety shop and ordered the correct items for me and helped me fit them.

Her mobile is 00351 934 809 369
Feel free to say I recommended her.


Posted By: wendyhsmith
Date Posted: 13/August/2016 at 20:01
Thanks Poli and Stuart.  
Having got my AL and SEPA and stuff just wondered when they came for the inspection what they might want.  Thanks Poli, I will have a look, I imagine it will be very helpful.  When August is over :-)



Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 27/September/2016 at 11:03
have my AL ( got it last year ) Struggle filling in SEF stuff online though

Now I have a tax bill - not too bad anyone know how to pay it? guess you can present it at Fincas office in Albufeira Same place as I pay my annual IMI Coming over next week


Posted By: stuart123
Date Posted: 27/September/2016 at 11:59
Agree that the SEF website is really bad!


Posted By: Jayjan
Date Posted: 27/September/2016 at 19:23
Norm make sure you check the deadline date on the bill that  it has to be paid by, as if you go over that date they will probably fine you for late payment on top of your tax bill when you go to pay it at financas.

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Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 27/September/2016 at 23:25
Thanks yes their is a due date on it.    So its another day queing at financas then.


Posted By: Jayjan
Date Posted: 28/September/2016 at 01:04
you could pay it at the multibanco, save you queueing at financas, trouble is its in Portuguese so if you don't fully understand the language it can prove difficult & what menu buttons to press. We paid a tax bill last week at multibanco but had someone to help us through the procedure.Maybe another member can help you with the multibanco procedure to pay it. Ours worked out ok, now paid, as checked our bank account the day after and the amount as been taken. Good luck with the queueing at financas and hope your lucky that it won't take too long. Wink

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Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 28/September/2016 at 08:45
We pay our tax bill on line from Santander account, I'm sure the other banks will have that facility also, and Dicey has posted on here the procedure to pay via Santander. If that helps you'll need to search Dicey's posts.

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Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 29/September/2016 at 18:21
thanks for replies   will try multibanco any one on here used this method?


Posted By: cubsur
Date Posted: 30/September/2016 at 09:52
I used to use Multibanco to pay my IMI and it's quite easy if you follow the instructions step by step. Do make sure you tap in the very long entity number correctly. It will then ask you to confirm that you wish to pay €x and if x isn't what it says on your bill you've done it wrong,

Keep and scan or copy the receipt as it's on that sort of heat sensitive paper that fades eventually.


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Posted By: Valli
Date Posted: 25/October/2016 at 13:10
Hi, Have been reading recent posts concerning tourist licences. Several years ago when we bought our apartment we were told we did not require a licence, or to pay tax in Portugal as we only let friends and family use the apartment, although they do pay a small amount towards the costs. The income is declared to HMRC although there is normally no tax to pay as the costs greatly exceed the small amount of income. Does anyone know if this has changed under the new rules?

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Posted By: Norm55
Date Posted: 25/October/2016 at 13:15
Yes you are correct. A L is only required if you are renting to general public. There is no requirement for you to have one


Posted By: wendyhsmith
Date Posted: 11/July/2017 at 16:28
Could someone post how to register on SEF again for me please.



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