Albufeira's Forum : 2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some https://albufeira.com/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sun, 17 May 2026 23:26:52 +0000 Sat, 08 Oct 2016 12:38:57 +0000 https://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.03 360 albufeira.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=9580 <![CDATA[Albufeira's Forum]]> https://albufeira.com/forum//images/albufeira-forum-logo.png https://albufeira.com/forum/ <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : In Norfolk, where most of the...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99709.html#99709 Author: DICEYUK
Subject: 9580
Posted: 08/October/2016 at 12:38

In Norfolk, where most of the holiday lets are either caravans, chalets or log cabins there are restrictions to prevent people living in them permanently.
They have to be empty (i.e. no people) for one month a year, normally January.
Second homes & holiday homes, whether used or empty, qualify for a council tax discount. This varies between different Councils.
In Norfolk the discount is 50%.
]]> Sat, 08 Oct 2016 12:38:57 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99709.html#99709 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : Algarveaddick wrote:Do holiday...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99708.html#99708 Author: sidsmum
Subject: 9580
Posted: 08/October/2016 at 12:28

Originally posted by Algarveaddick Algarveaddick wrote:

Do holiday properties in the UK count as empty?

No, because a holiday home would be furnished.
Councils in England (not sure about the rest of the UK) are interested in whether a property is furnished or unfurnished. But different councils have different exemptions, for example

a second home in the borough of Windsor & Maidenhead...
There is no reduction for properties that are unoccupied and furnished.
Properties that are unoccupied and unfurnished will receive a 100% exemption for a maximum period of one month.
Properties that are unoccupied and unfurnished for two years or more will be charged an additional 50% on top of the full council tax. 

however, a property in North Devon...

Empty, unfurnished properties get a discount for up to three months, then you have to pay the full amount. Properties which remain empty and unfurnished for two years will be charged an additional 50 percent empty property premium.

So a Holiday Home would pay the normal council tax rate.

]]> Sat, 08 Oct 2016 12:28:46 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99708.html#99708 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : Do holiday properties in the UK...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99702.html#99702 Author: Algarveaddick
Subject: 9580
Posted: 08/October/2016 at 08:34

Do holiday properties in the UK count as empty? ]]> Sat, 08 Oct 2016 08:34:14 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99702.html#99702 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : Same in UK though an empty property...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99701.html#99701 Author: Jayjan
Subject: 9580
Posted: 07/October/2016 at 23:44

Same in UK though an empty property is discounted for  6 months but after that an empty property the council adds stupid amounts to the council tax bill after that, so same principle. Not sure if they spy on utilities though like PortugaL. Although saying that, wonder if the ratio is same for holiday properties in UK as it is in Portugal or even any other country.]]> Fri, 07 Oct 2016 23:44:49 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99701.html#99701 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : cubsur wrote:there is an empty...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99700.html#99700 Author: sidsmum
Subject: 9580
Posted: 07/October/2016 at 20:56

Originally posted by cubsur cubsur wrote:

there is an empty apartment in my small block that hasn't been occupied, legally or otherwise, for most of the last ten years. The owner pays his condo fees without fail but utilities consumption must be zero.

So would the local council be able to say to him, use this property or we take it away??

I assume the local council would increase his IMI by an obscene amount! 
]]> Fri, 07 Oct 2016 20:56:51 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99700.html#99700 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : Has anyone received their IMI...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99699.html#99699 Author: Kaz1
Subject: 9580
Posted: 07/October/2016 at 14:27

Has anyone received their IMI bills in the post yet?
thanks]]> Fri, 07 Oct 2016 14:27:18 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99699.html#99699 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : This may of course mean inspecrtors...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99697.html#99697 Author: cubsur
Subject: 9580
Posted: 07/October/2016 at 11:09

This may of course mean inspecrtors coming around and banging on doors to see if anyone's home.

Likewise there is an empty apartment in my small block that hasn't been occupied, legally or otherwise, for most of the last ten years. The owner pays his condo fees without fail but utilities consumption must be zero.

So would the local council be able to say to him, use this property or we take it away??
]]> Fri, 07 Oct 2016 11:09:29 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99697.html#99697 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : Just makes you wonder what they...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99690.html#99690 Author: Jayjan
Subject: 9580
Posted: 06/October/2016 at 22:52

Just makes you wonder what they are going to deem as low consumption, surely they will have to put a figure on it.
Reason we sold up last year was due to us not being able to use it as we would have liked due to personal family circumstances & still paying bills, running the pool and paying for the maintenance of it when property empty.
]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2016 22:52:45 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99690.html#99690 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : There are several &#034;empty&#034;...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99689.html#99689 Author: DICEYUK
Subject: 9580
Posted: 06/October/2016 at 22:08

There are several "empty" apartments in our block.
The apartment next door to us is owned by a Portuguese couple who live in Lisbon.
They come here on holiday for 2 weeks every year in August and that's it.
It's never been legally or illegally rented out, it's never been used by anyone else and he's owned it since 2002.
Therefore his water & electric usage must be very low.
There is more than one apartment here just like that, mostly owned by Portuguese but some by Foreigners too.
Presumably they are prime targets of this clampdown.
So what are people like that supposed to do?


]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2016 22:08:05 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99689.html#99689 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : DICEYUK wrote:I only went to...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99688.html#99688 Author: carolenclive
Subject: 9580
Posted: 06/October/2016 at 22:06

Originally posted by DICEYUK DICEYUK wrote:

I only went to a Secondary Modern School but I do know how to use the "quote" option Wink


So do I but my computers battery doesnt.It is dying on meUnhappy]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2016 22:06:15 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99688.html#99688 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : Does anyone mind if I comment...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99687.html#99687 Author: sidsmum
Subject: 9580
Posted: 06/October/2016 at 21:34

Does anyone mind if I comment on the original topic....

2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some



found this on another forum and thought it was quite interesting.......

"The charging of a higher rate of IMI for vacant properties has actually been around for some time already. So has the supplying of data from the utilities companies to the authorities, although what's changed there is that Câmaras Municipais will now get the information automatically where previously they had to request it.

Just to give a bit of background, the intent of these laws is twofold - partly to assist the authorities to flush out clandestine rentals (which have been commonplace in the past and which are a form of tax evasion) and secondly to identify derelict and / or unused properties and get them back into circulation with the particular aim of stimulating the property rentals market. There are also various initiatives at local level which combine with these laws to try to revitalise some of the historic town centres etc.

Finanças have been able to use the data in order to determine if the names on the utilities contracts don't match the property ownership record which would be one way of identifying a clandestine arrangement. Or when the property is identified to Finanças as for rent and without an active contract but with a suspicious level of energy consumption.

Whatever progress has been made on that front, it has largely left the empty properties side of things unaddressed and the introduction of the supplying of this data to the local authorities is to help with that. Up until now, property owners have been able to get around things by simply maintaining utilities contracts even if the property is unused. Now the zero or very low consumption data will also be used to determine whether a property is in use or not."

Does anyone have an opinion on this, rather than Brexit?!!!!!
LOL

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2016 21:34:23 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99687.html#99687 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : I only went to a Secondary Modern...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99686.html#99686 Author: DICEYUK
Subject: 9580
Posted: 06/October/2016 at 21:20

I only went to a Secondary Modern School but I do know how to use the "quote" option Wink


]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2016 21:20:03 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99686.html#99686 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : carolenclive wrote: tonisdad...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99685.html#99685 Author: carolenclive
Subject: 9580
Posted: 06/October/2016 at 20:12

Originally posted by carolenclive carolenclive wrote:

Originally posted by tonisdad tonisdad wrote:

Originally posted by carolenclive carolenclive wrote:

How is going to a Grammer school a better education,Its a selective education for the few and paid for by the many.How do you know at the age of 11yrs that one child is brighter than another they all develop at different stages in their life.It isnt a race every child should be valued they are all gifted  in one way or another.but they should all be treated equally.
Money should be pumped into the schools we have already got,god knows their budgets have been cut dramatically over the past years and not put into creating an elite system that doesnt work.



If you went to Grammer School you would have known it is a deeper education. Hence why my mates were playing football and I was doing homework.
You would also know there was not only the 11+ there was the 12+ for later developers who might have slipped the net so to speak.
By saying the system does not work is that through experiece you talk?
Never mind we`ll keep the red flag flying high and keep the working class where they belong brothers.
]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2016 20:12:11 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99685.html#99685 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : tonisdad wrote: carolenclive...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99684.html#99684 Author: carolenclive
Subject: 9580
Posted: 06/October/2016 at 18:56

Originally posted by tonisdad tonisdad wrote:

Originally posted by carolenclive carolenclive wrote:

How is going to a Grammer school a better education,Its a selective education for the few and paid for by the many.How do you know at the age of 11yrs that one child is brighter than another they all develop at different stages in their life.It isnt a race every child should be valued they are all gifted  in one way or another.but they should all be treated equally.
Money should be pumped into the schools we have already got,god knows their budgets have been cut dramatically over the past years and not put into creating an elite system that doesnt work.



If you went to Grammer School you would have known it is a deeper education. Hence why my mates were playing football and I was doing homework.
You would also know there was not only the 11+ there was the 12+ for later developers who might have slipped the net so to speak.
By saying the system does not work is that through experiece you talk?
Never mind we`ll keep the red flag flying high and keep the working class where they belong brothers.
]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2016 18:56:05 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99684.html#99684 <![CDATA[2016 Budget IMI massive increase for some : carolenclive wrote:How is going...]]> https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99683.html#99683 Author: tonisdad
Subject: 9580
Posted: 06/October/2016 at 17:48

Originally posted by carolenclive carolenclive wrote:

How is going to a Grammer school a better education,Its a selective education for the few and paid for by the many.How do you know at the age of 11yrs that one child is brighter than another they all develop at different stages in their life.It isnt a race every child should be valued they are all gifted  in one way or another.but they should all be treated equally.
Money should be pumped into the schools we have already got,god knows their budgets have been cut dramatically over the past years and not put into creating an elite system that doesnt work.



If you went to Grammer School you would have known it is a deeper education. Hence why my mates were playing football and I was doing homework.
You would also know there was not only the 11+ there was the 12+ for later developers who might have slipped the net so to speak.
By saying the system does not work is that through experiece you talk?
Never mind we`ll keep the red flag flying high and keep the working class where they belong brothers.
]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2016 17:48:04 +0000 https://albufeira.com/forum/2016-budget-imi-massive-increase-for-some_topic9580_post99683.html#99683